If Jayden Daniels declares we need to draft him. (1 Viewer)

[saintsgotaring]

Jordan Travis on FSU is better. That’s who I’d want in the 3rd-4th round range since we really don’t have draft capital for QB this year

Let’s gooo my alum

 

[TribuneUK]

You didn’t answer the question of how you know what you’re claiming. You made a claim without evidence of your inside knowledge.

You’re now claiming that scouts do not use any data analysis and instead only look at film at physical attributes.

No I didn't, I listed a range of sources, which also have the benefit of having been put on record as being in use by NFL scouts. Unfortunately, they don't entirely agree with your premise and you seem rather sour about that.

Apologies for injecting reality into your fantasy.

As I said before, let the pre-draft process play out and let's see where he's at then. There's plenty of scope for him to rise.

It just won't have as much to do with PFF scores as you'd like.

 

[TribuneUK]

Are you so sure?

You might be confusing talent scouting with self-scouting/opponent scouting for game planning

 

[Saintaholik]

Jayden Daniel’s in LSU’s offense is having an amazing season. He’s ridiculous in the red zone and has only thrown one interception this year. We already run his plays in the form of Taysom Hill’s set of plays. He runs the QB power and the read option as good as anyone. He has good arm talent but will need to put less air on some throws in the NFL.

But I think he fits the Saints offense well, not just the QB power game but also the timing plays.

He’s not projected to go high, he’s not even projected to go in the first 3 rounds, but that could change with more success. Still he’s worth a pick IMO. I would take him in the second round just to make sure we get a QB.

Even if he doesn’t turn out to be a full time starter we have a replacement for Taysom.

All the LSU fans always want us to draft their guys. How would y’all feel about us drafting Daniels?

First off Daniels is a Senior if im not mistaken. So he would have to declare for the draft.

Unless he gets another year of eligibility due to Covid. Which may be true idk..

Anyway, I'd bet you money, he's a first round pick this draft.

He has mechanics that you can work with in the NFL. Not to mention he is the most gifted qb running the ball in college since Lamar Jackson imo. I actually think he's a better passer then Lamar.

He just has the IT factor, and I'd draft him in a heartbeat.

P.S. im not an LSU fan either. Not a LSU hater at all, but I wouldn't call myself a fan

 

[Snakehead]

First off Daniels is a Senior if im not mistaken. So he would have to declare for the draft.

Unless he gets a other year of eligibility due to Covid. Which may be true idk..

Anyway, I'd bet you money, he's a first round pick this draft.

He has mechanics that you can work with in the NFL. Bot to mention he us special as a runner. The mist gifted qb running the ball in college since Lamar Jackson imo. I actually think he's a better passer then Lamar.

He just has the IT factor, and I'd draft in a heartbeat.

P.S. im not an LSU fan either. Not a LSU hater at all, but I wouldn't call myself a fan

He's a much better passer than Lamar.

When he transferred to LSU, he had 2 years of eligibility so he's up after this season.

 

[saintmike23]

First off Daniels is a Senior if im not mistaken. So he would have to declare for the draft.

Unless he gets a other year of eligibility due to Covid. Which may be true idk..

Anyway, I'd bet you money, he's a first round pick this draft.

He has mechanics that you can work with in the NFL. Bot to mention he us special as a runner. The mist gifted qb running the ball in college since Lamar Jackson imo. I actually think he's a better passer then Lamar.

He just has the IT factor, and I'd draft in a heartbeat.

P.S. im not an LSU fan either. Not a LSU hater at all, but I wouldn't call myself a fan

I made this post before the draft last year.

 

[Saintaholik]

I made this post before the draft last year.

Lol, I didn't even look man haha. I wonder why it got resurfaced?

 

[saintmike23]

You might be confusing talent scouting with self-scouting/opponent scouting for game planning

You really think teams will use PFF data for scouting opponents but eschew the same data for college scouting?

The amount of work they have to do to get all of that data is enormous, data that you say they don’t use. It’s much easier to pay for that data from PFF or another source. Scouts can then focus on traveling to games, getting inside info, and film.

And to address your other post, no you never gave any information about your credentials to make such a claim that NFL teams don’t use data analysis for scouting.

 

[TribuneUK]

You really think teams will use PFF data for scouting opponents but eschew the same data for college scouting?

The amount of work they have to do to get all of that data is enormous, data that you say they don’t use. It’s much easier to pay for that data from PFF or another source. Scouts can then focus on traveling to games, getting inside info, and film.

And to address your other post, no you never gave any information about your credentials to make such a claim that NFL teams don’t use data analysis for scouting.

Despite any effort to misstate the original point that was made, it remains the fact that NFL scouts don't use PFF scores to grade players. They primarily use the sort of information I told you about originally. Information which I see you at least have begun to acknowledge the importance of.

And yes, scouting opponents and scouting yourself as a team are not equivalent to using PFF scores to decide which players you want to draft. Sorry to keep saying that, but it's still true.

My credentials: I read a book about the NFL draft and scouting processes. I suggest you do too. It's very informative.

 

[EGLSShin]

Dude would be at the top of the heisman list if his defense didn't suck and were sitting at like 6-0 right now. He's been better than every other QB by a long shot considering the competition he's played vs Caleb Williams who couldn't even beat Tulane who they were expected to route in last years bowl

 

[saintmike23]

Despite any effort to misstate the original point that was made, it remains the fact that NFL scouts don't use PFF scores to grade players. They primarily use the sort of information I told you about originally. Information which I see you at least have begun to acknowledge the importance of.

And yes, scouting opponents and scouting yourself as a team are not equivalent to using PFF scores to decide which players you want to draft. Sorry to keep saying that, but it's still true.

My credentials: I read a book about the NFL draft and scouting processes. I suggest you do too. It's very informative.

Say what? Oh you read an outdated book? That’s nice.

How The NFL Uses Data Analytics In The Draft | Athlete Intelligence

As the 2017 NFL draft kicks off this week, many teams are pouring over data as well as traditional scouting methods, to evaluate and choose their next […]

www.athleteintelligence.com

 

[GrayMatter78]

Daniels is probably THE player that can improve his draft stock the most in all of college football by staying another season. Right now he is a mid round pick that will be considered a project. Another year at LSU and he can put himself in position to be a top 5 pick. Normally I think players are crazy if they pass up being a mid round pick to stay in college but Daniels has so much to gain that he would be crazy to declare.

Brian Thomas, Jr. too. He's also having a great season and his growth this year has been huge but I hope he doesn't get a big head because he needs a lot more seasoning.

 

[TribuneUK]

Say what? Oh you read an outdated book? That’s nice.

How The NFL Uses Data Analytics In The Draft | Athlete Intelligence

As the 2017 NFL draft kicks off this week, many teams are pouring over data as well as traditional scouting methods, to evaluate and choose their next […]

www.athleteintelligence.com

So, all that says is that teams have the data, which in this case is aggregated by PFF, rather than BLESTO. The article even makes reference to prior data sources that were being used. Yes, they were even being used when I read my book.

Which is why I told you about BLESTO several posts ago. Not so outdated after all.

However, what they don't say anywhere is that the PFF scores that are churned out for consumption by people looking to champion their favourite player are used in the scouting and grading process.

Just for clarity, the same organisation can collect lots of different data and do entirely different things with it, for different audiences. That's why your guy may not be getting the draft stock love you're jonesing for.

As this has just devolved into repetition and semantics, I'll leave it there and hope it helps you.

 

[Ken-Bob]

IMO, Daniels is flying way under the NFL radar right now. I think the biggest positive for Daniels is how much he's improved in the last two years. Improvement doesn't usually happen without a player 'putting in the work'. Drew Brees was always a very hard worker on and off the field. If that is true of Daniels he could do well. Of course, he'd have to go to the right team/coach.

I feel like many of the talking heads are looking for the next Mahomes. Ummmm... right. Of the top QBs mentioned for this year's draft, Williams, Maye, Penix, Sanders, McCarthy, and Nix, Penix is the only one I'd want to drop a 1st on. Not saying one or more of the others won't make it too, but we know there are always misfires. Of that group: Williams looks like a typical Lincoln Riley QB - that doesn't usually transfer to top NFL talent (but can be decent). Maye actually looks a lot like Daniels to me, but I don't think he's as good. Nix shows a lot of skills and has improved a lot - kind of prototypical - but is in a system where he often seems to gun it in to the first option (which works in Oregon but won't in the NFL). Can he transition??? Dunno. Neither Sanders or McCarthy do it for me. A lot like Williams, they are improvisers but haven't really displayed some of the things they would need in the NFL. Those guys are really athletic, but sometimes they just look plain lucky.

So, I think Daniels will fall to the 2nd or 3rd round just because a lot of scouts fall in love with athleticism. And that's fine - that's what a lot of top QBs have. But many other NFL QBs are simply just good, smart, guys that understand the game and work hard to improve (Brock Purdy, anyone?). Some team may realize that there are good QBs to be had in the later rounds and grab a gem (it's almost certain that one of them will). Maybe that will be Daniels.

 

[saintmike23]

IMO, Daniels is flying way under the NFL radar right now. I think the biggest positive for Daniels is how much he's improved in the last two years. Improvement doesn't usually happen without a player 'putting in the work'. Drew Brees was always a very hard worker on and off the field. If that is true of Daniels he could do well. Of course, he'd have to go to the right team/coach.

I feel like many of the talking heads are looking for the next Mahomes. Ummmm... right. Of the top QBs mentioned for this year's draft, Williams, Maye, Penix, Sanders, McCarthy, and Nix, Penix is the only one I'd want to drop a 1st on. Not saying one or more of the others won't make it too, but we know there are always misfires. Of that group: Williams looks like a typical Lincoln Riley QB - that doesn't usually transfer to top NFL talent (but can be decent). Maye actually looks a lot like Daniels to me, but I don't think he's as good. Nix shows a lot of skills and has improved a lot - kind of prototypical - but is in a system where he often seems to gun it in to the first option (which works in Oregon but won't in the NFL). Can he transition??? Dunno. Neither Sanders or McCarthy do it for me. A lot like Williams, they are improvisers but haven't really displayed some of the things they would need in the NFL. Those guys are really athletic, but sometimes they just look plain lucky.

So, I think Daniels will fall to the 2nd or 3rd round just because a lot of scouts fall in love with athleticism. And that's fine - that's what a lot of top QBs have. But many other NFL QBs are simply just good, smart, guys that understand the game and work hard to improve (Brock Purdy, anyone?). Some team may realize that there are good QBs to be had in the later rounds and grab a gem (it's almost certain that one of them will). Maybe that will be Daniels.

Yes, Penix is having a great season as you and bcclemns have pointed out. He’s tanked 1st in PFF grades. I would take him over any other QB.

Improvement is underrated.

Purdy is good on SF in that system but he is rarely tested by opposing defenses. Have to make him throw deep. That offense is all about window dressing and pre snap reads. It still takes intelligence and skill but Purdy won’t fit into every scheme without really good talent and coaching.

Daniels has improved his vision and field reads. Of course college is not the NFL but every QB will have to learn. That’s why I wouldn’t mind drafting him in the second round and letting him sit and learn.