If Jeanty, T-McMillan and Will Johnson are on the board at #9, who are you taking?

[Infoman]

TMac

 

[Hedon James]

I’m going back in forth between Tet and Jeanty. I think that Jeanty is the more talented player, so he really should be the pick but the reason why I’d consider Tet has nothing to do with anything you mentioned. Kamara is still looking pretty good but he’s reached his expiration date statistically…you have to have a very good backup plan to a 30ish year old RB. CEH is NOT a proven starter. He’s a backup and not a particularly strong back up, not remotely close to Jeanty. I’m simply not a believer in Miller. He’s ok…probably better than CEH, but he has never looked close to as good as Kamara in his time in the NFL. He’s a serviceable #2, but he’s not special. Mims is a guy…a #3-4…not a guy that would prevent you from getting a Barry Sanders like talent.

But the reason why I’d consider Tet is that this is a really strong draft at RB. There will be a RB in the 2nd round better than Miller. There won’t be a WR in the 2nd round close to what Tet can give you.

I was thinking along similar lines. RBs are comparatively "less expensive" than WRs, and theoretically easier to find...especially if you can conjure up a RB by committee. In fact, I PREFER that approach over a workhorse/bellcow back that, if injured, tanks your run game. But with that said, both rooms are somewhat injury prone and thin.

So how to decide? Can we get a RB in the 2nd or 3rd that is an improvement over Miller, CEH, or Mims? Can we get a WR in the 2nd or 3rd that is an improvement over Olave or Shaheed? If the answer to either question is yes, then go with the other position. If the answer to BOTH questions is yes, pick the BPA at #9 and pick the other position in a later round when the value lines up with the need. But with all that said, Saints need an upgrade at a few starter positions; and an upgrade of depth all across the board. Other than QB, this draft class is supposed to align with Saints needs and is also deep. If that's true, IMO, this draft should be BPA every step of the way and let the chips fall where they may. Maybe we can start "targeting" wants next draft? But this draft, we have too many "needs" and "musts" to be targeting "wants". JMO.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

I don’t think that there is an elite player available at those trench position at will be available. I’m tired of the Saints reach on trench guys who we are looking to replace in a few years…it’s an endless cycle. This team is void of elite talent…and the little bit it has is either upon retirement or injury prone.

There's not. In fact, I'll go a step further and say theres not a single OL worthy of a top 20 pick this year, and the only Dlineman worth will be Graham, Carter, Grant and Deone Walker.

Walker is a big name to watch for us. In a 3-4 he would be a DE. But in a nickel he would slide inside as NT. For teams like he us who are 3-4 based but will play a lot of nickel, its a massive get. Only issue is I don't think he's worth a top 10 pick. I peg him around late teens/20's. And considering we have an offensive coach with a severe lack of offensive playmakers, I simply can't imagine us going defense unless Graham or Carter fall to our lap. Considering there are no Olineman worthy of a top 10, I think our targets are Jeanty (trade up) and Warren.

Ideally though, a trade back to accumulate more picks would serve best. But it's really hard to imagine that playing out giving the talent in this draft vs draft compensation. If there was ever a bad year to hold picks 7-11, this is it. Our best hope for a trade back would be some team in the teens that is willing to give up a pick or two to secure first round talent since theres only an estimated 12 players graded with first round talent. But theres only 4 or 5 graded with top 10 talent, which serves our problem.

 

[stadanko]

Am I wrong in thinking this feels like a really weak draft? I think in most other drafts, none of these guys are in the top 10. Jeanty and Tet feel like solid late first round picks. I don't know much about Will Johnson, but he could realistically be the 3rd corner off the board. I know it's a long shot, but I hope someone wants to be in the 9th spot so bad we get some decent picks to move out of it. My dream would be moving back a few spots and getting Kenneth Grant and an extra 2nd or 3rd next year.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Time will tell, I simply don't see that happening. I'm sticking with Hunter/Tet or an OL to protect the future of their franchise.

Book it. I can't wait till we see. It'll be fun to watch and discuss afterwards. My wife has taught me to eat crow with a smile even when she was still incorrect .

 

[Hedon James]

I think Jeanty is my top pick with Tetairoa also being a pick that I'd leave the draft happy with. Both of those players check a ton of boxes. The difference for me is Jeanty is basically the best RB in any draft class. Tetairoa likely isn't the top WR in many recent draft classes. In other words, Jeanty is a true top tier "blue chip" prospect, while Tetairoa is a "good" prospect. Both players would provide a boost for us. Jeanty seems more likely to be a true "elite" player in the NFL. In this draft I see 3 true blue chip players in Jeanty, Carter, and Hunter. After that there's certainly some quality prospects, but not quite at that level imo.

I'm not convinced that the difference between Tetairoa and guys like Tre Harris/Jayden Higgins is that big. I think there's a decent chance we could grab one of those 2 WR's at pick 40. I do think the difference between Jeanty and the next tier of RB's is pretty sizeable. If we were to miss out on Jeanty I think there's plenty of 2nd tier guys (Hampton, Henderson, Skattebo, Judkins, Neal, etc.) that could be had in the 2nd/3rd/4th round that could be solid RB options, but just don't strike me as "special" talents at RB.

I really want no part of Will Johnson. He has speed concerns at CB, and he appears to be injury prone. I'd rather see what we have in Kool-Aid, and Taylor. Or even see if a quality CB is available on day 2 that slid down the draft.

With ya on Johnson. And let's not forget Rico Payton. Dude showed up pretty good when given the chance, IMO, and I'm looking forward to seeing if he makes a big year 2 leap. I think he could be a solid starter at the other CB slot. COULD BE....definitely a sleeper pick. Wouldn't stop me from taking another CB, but not at #9. While I hope Payton fulfills his potential, hope isn't a viable nor sustainable strategy.

 

[Hedon James]

Am I wrong in thinking this feels like a really weak draft? I think in most other drafts, none of these guys are in the top 10. Jeanty and Tet feel like solid late first round picks. I don't know much about Will Johnson, but he could realistically be the 3rd corner off the board. I know it's a long shot, but I hope someone wants to be in the 9th spot so bad we get some decent picks to move out of it. My dream would be moving back a few spots and getting Kenneth Grant and an extra 2nd or 3rd next year.

Define "weak". Everything I have read indicates that this is a very DEEP draft class, but lacking top-end talent. There are guys who will be drafted in the 1st round (likely between 20-32) that would not be 1st rounders in a typical year. Conversely, there will be guys drafted in the 3rd-5th rounds who would normally be 2nd-3rd rounders. If there was ever a draft to trade down and accumulate picks, THIS is it. But it's predicated on someone falling to #9 that someone else is in love with. If that happens, trade back and game on! If that doesn't happen, just stay put and draft BPA nine times. This would do wonders for our depth, IMO, and will still displace a few marginal current starters to backup roles. That's what a draft is SUPPOSED to do, IMO.

 

[rlemieux]

To me it would be a decision between Tet and Johnson. While Jeanty is talented you just don't find shut down corners of 6'4 possession type receivers every day that run sub 4.5. We invested in Kamara and we have a pretty high draft choice on Miller. There are also more late round RB's that turn into quality players over some other positions. I personally take Tet but Johnson would be a strong consideration.

 

[St. Widge]

Moore wants to run the ball. We someone who can run the ball, especially between the lines. AK still has juice but he is getting old. Pairing the two, with some help at the O line, would be great.

All coaches want to run the ball, but outside of last year in Philly when he had a great run blocking OL and Barkley paired with a QB that isn't a great passer most of the time, he has run a pass first offense. He said it himself, if it was up to him he would throw the ball every down, but he recognizes that you need to run the ball at times. And, he clearly adjusts to the talent he has on his team.

 

[guillermo]

As I wrote on previous threads. I want a player we can build around for years to come.

Since Moore wants to build the offence with the focus on the run game, Jeanty will be the option. Omarion Hampton could also be an option since he is a little bigger and more of a compliment to Kamara and Edwards-Hillaire.

Now, I am very curious of what may happen with Olave. I am not sure we will want to give him a mega deal and he may be an interesting chip to trade. If that is the case McMillan will be the answer.

I am still very interested in Tyler Warren, he will help both as a run blocker and as a great option moving the chains in third downs.

 

[stadanko]

Define "weak". Everything I have read indicates that this is a very DEEP draft class, but lacking top-end talent. There are guys who will be drafted in the 1st round (likely between 20-32) that would not be 1st rounders in a typical year. Conversely, there will be guys drafted in the 3rd-5th rounds who would normally be 2nd-3rd rounders. If there was ever a draft to trade down and accumulate picks, THIS is it. But it's predicated on someone falling to #9 that someone else is in love with. If that happens, trade back and game on! If that doesn't happen, just stay put and draft BPA nine times. This would do wonders for our depth, IMO, and will still displace a few marginal current starters to backup roles. That's what a draft is SUPPOSED to do, IMO.

Yeah. I think lacking top end talent describes it better. The hope is at 9, you have the possibility of someone special falling to you. I feel like that would mean Ward, Carter, Hunter, or Graham, and I don't see any of them falling to us. Outside of those 4, I'm just not feeling special from any of the others.

 

[sfidc3]

Just a big fat no to Will Campbell, highly overrated and will probably play G in the NFL.....

I think there are good arguments for either Jeanty or Tmac.....

On one hand, if CKM's offense is going to feature the running game then Jeanty makes sense as our HOF level RB (AK41) isn't getting any younger, we could lessen the load on AK and use him more like satellite player (similar to Reggie Bush)......

On the other hand our smallish WR's keep getting injured and we desperately need a young big bodied WR for the future and Tmac definitely is the best one in the draft.....

I'd be fine with either TBH.....

 

[St. Widge]

As I wrote on previous threads. I want a player we can build around for years to come.

Since Moore wants to build the offence with the focus on the run game, Jeanty will be the option. Omarion Hampton could also be an option since he is a little bigger and more of a compliment to Kamara and Edwards-Hillaire.

Now, I am very curious of what may happen with Olave. I am not sure we will want to give him a mega deal and he may be an interesting chip to trade. If that is the case McMillan will be the answer.

I am still very interested in Tyler Warren, he will help both as a run blocker and as a great option moving the chains in third downs.

Again, what makes you think Moore wants to build an offense focused on the run game? He's only run that kind of offense in Philly. That's not what he did in Dallas or with the Chargers.

 

[Bayou_City]

Exactly. Considering Carr shouldn't throw more than 20 times a game and Rattler (IMO) shouldn't throw more than 15, how many of those passes will be 5 yards or less?

Tet wouldn't (or shouldn't) get more then 3 or so targets a game. The value just isn't there. If we get him fans will cry "why aren't you throwing to tet more!?" and the reasoning is simple. Our QB's suck and even if they didn't we're still a run first team.

Tet feels like a wasted top 10 pick for someone over near the sidelines blocking more than half the game.

I don't think Rattler sucks....he hasn't had a fair shot with the starters yet, cause everyone was hurt.

We need to see him with starters and then see what we have.

I'm not big on Derek Carr either but he definitely doesn't suck. We just won't win shirt with him.

However, if we can keep them both at 20 passes a game with the 3 headed monster we have Kamara, Jeanty*, Miller, Edward-Helaire....we should be safe with both QBs.

 

[Bayou_City]

How many touches do you see Jeanty getting over Kamara?
Basically your saying AK days are done in NOLA if we draft Jeanty...

Nope. It would be a Ingram and Kamara duo all over again.

Plus they both could be in the game at the same time.