Ingram benched [OLD THREAD BUMPED] (1 Viewer)

[DaveXA]

Wow dude, don't put him into this legendary category.

Ingram would have been long gone if not for his Heisman 1st round pedigree. You all know this to be true.

No we don't. And you don't either. If anything, it's because he has a Heisman that he gets all this criticism, not to mention the trade up to get him. That wasn't his fault, and the unrealistic expectations have been just that, unrealistic. It's a cross he has to bear so to speak, but fans seriously need to cut the guy some slack. He's still a member of our team.

We can criticize his lack of burst or some other aspect of his game, that's fair, but to say he's a bad player is revisionist history and ignoring what he's done since joining the Saints.

I think we should start Hightower for the time being and let Ingram work his way back. The fumbling is an issue, but it's also something highly unusual for him. He'll come around...I hope.

 

[DaveXA]

Oh you're going to get crucified for that


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He really shouldn't though. From purely a fumbling perspective, he's been better than good in that area. I don't think using a statistical anomaly to make a case against a player is good debate. To take 2 games and ignore the other 6 years is silly and short-sighted imo.

 

[TurboWhoDat]

yall defending ingram like he's been more than average his whole time here. 6 years in and we're still waiting on that 1000 yard season? he aint bad, but he aint great either. our running game has been as pedestrian as they come with ingram at the helm. if you want average, ingram is your guy. if you want to see improvement along the lines of what we're doing with our receiving corp, it's time to start looking elsewhere.

 

[JBofWDN]

Oh you're going to get crucified for that


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Yet ingrams no where near the same ballpark as any of those guys and got benched sunday.

Keep using those stats to prop him up as if it negates what we actually see lol

 

[crosswatt]

Yet ingrams no where near the same ballpark as any of those guys and got benched sunday.

Keep using those stats to prop him up as if it negates what we actually see lol

Stats do negate what you see. Your eyes are no better than anyone else's, and it really is a super poor argument to try and buttress an opinion.

 

[BreesusSaves]

Stats do negate what you see. Your eyes are no better than anyone else's, and it really is a super poor argument to try and buttress an opinion.

Want a REALLY fun thought?

Just imagine what this place would look like if it was Ingram who had 5 carries from inside the one yard line and failed to punch it in

 

[DaveXA]

Stats do negate what you see. Your eyes are no better than anyone else's, and it really is a super poor argument to try and buttress an opinion.

Yep, the eyeball test actually isn't very reliable. For one, we don't see what happens every day leading up to the game. We also don't know what the coaches call, what game film they see, and how they are coached.

The stats aren't always reliable, but when you have stats compiled over long periods of time, it make things easier in terms of judging performance. Ingram's stats have been pretty good over the years, but there's something I've seen that is not shown in stats, and that's Ingram's ability to pick up blitzes and blocking to protect Brees. We've see what happens to backs when they're not aware of who to block. This is just as big a deal as his running because we pass quite a bit. It's imperative that we have a back who can block for Brees and I think we can all agree that Ingram provides that in spades.

I've criticized his lack of burst and find his vision and decision making to be suspect, but he also deserves respect for the things he does well. It cuts both ways. I just wish everyone on the team well and hopeful that Ingram will be back to his normal self soon.

 

[Saints 4 life]

Want a REALLY fun thought?

Just imagine what this place would look like if it was Ingram who had 5 carries from inside the one yard line and failed to punch it in

Ingram couldn't even make it to his 5th carry without coughing up the ball for a TD

 

[kcirdor]

Want a REALLY fun thought?

Just imagine what this place would look like if it was Ingram who had 5 carries from inside the one yard line and failed to punch it in

First I'd have to imagine that Ingram isn't known for pushing the pile. Which is difficult to do since that is one of his strengths, which is also what led to his two fumbles this year.

 

[JBofWDN]

Stats do negate what you see. Your eyes are no better than anyone else's, and it really is a super poor argument to try and buttress an opinion.

Lol I'll tell you what I dont see then.

I dont see Ingram having long decisive impactful runs or 100 yard games like his back up this year.

I don't see any other true #1 running back around the league require this amount of excuses to justify their play

He got benched in a big game despite his "above average" stats.....go figure lol

 

[oldJC.SAINTS]

Lol I'll tell you what I dont see then.

I don't see any other true #1 running back around the league require this amount of excuses to justify their play

hmmm ok... should I go to https://www.factcheck.org/ or u confirm it's just a 100% personal guess ?

 

[kcirdor]

Lol I'll tell you what I dont see then.

I dont see Ingram having long decisive impactful runs or 100 yard games like his back up this year.

I don't see any other true #1 running back around the league require this amount of excuses to justify their play

He got benched in a big game despite his "above average" stats.....go figure lol

Surprise! yesterday was the first game we had our starting Oline intact. Ingram got benched as punishment for two fumbles in 4 carries. It happens. It took a FULL load for Hightower to barely reach that 100 yards. the way you are talking Hightower had 150 yards. He did well, but let's not get crazy. Huh, go figure, Payton finally decides to commit to the run and Hightower benefits. Hightower proved he has earned more reps.

 

[crosswatt]

Want a REALLY fun thought?

Just imagine what this place would look like if it was Ingram who had 5 carries from inside the one yard line and failed to punch it in

Don't you put that evil on me....

 

[JBofWDN]

Surprise! yesterday was the first game we had our starting Oline intact. Ingram got benched as punishment for two fumbles in 4 carries. It happens. It took a FULL load for Hightower to barely reach that 100 yards. the way you are talking Hightower had 150 yards. He did well, but let's not get crazy. Huh, go figure, Payton finally decides to commit to the run and Hightower benefits. Hightower proved he has earned more reps.

Surprise! More excuses for Ingram. Whats it been? 6 years now? Oh wait, he had that one statistically good year when the rest of the backs were injured and he wasnt for once and that completly exonerates him.

You guys are consistent if nothing else. I'll give you that.

 

[kcirdor]

What's my excuse? The way you represent it is as if Hightower had this amazing game. He did what a back that gets 26 carries is supposed to do. Chip away until you break one. 25 carries for 74 yards doesn't sound so impressive.