Ingram benched [OLD THREAD BUMPED] (2 Viewers)

[Hey BAY BAY!!!]

Its about time. Ingram have been on decline every since Khiry and Ivory been gone. He thought he was the best RB option they had. Hightower should have been starting over Ingram IMO. The athleticism and vision Hightower have is way superior than Ingram. All Ingram do now is run 2 to 3 yards and cloud of dust. Run into Lineman and try to push the pile. Hightower sees the lane and he hits it andbget to the open field. Vision u cant teach. Hightower should be the lead dog from this day forward. Ingram is to inconsistent.

Thank you to SP for putting in Hightower. Thank You!!! Finally ran the ball. We finally ran the ball at a top notch defense and took the pressure off Drew. Thank You SP!!

 

[Javon7143]

Hightower's running style turned out to be the right stuff for this game. He wore down a tough front 7. I don't know that Ingram could have had the same effect had he stayed in. That said, I think benching him for a game was the right thing to do. He should be worked back into situations after this wake up call. He is not special, but he is serviceable if he is more mindful of ball security.

Hightower didnt wear down anyone. We beat a tired Seahawks defense. Those guys are still recovering from playing 5 quarters last week. That sledge we stayed on the field last eeek.

 

[Whodatcolston]

Can't wait to see how Ingram bounces back from this. It seems he plays his best when he has a flame lit under his butt.

 

[shaihulud]

Chuck Muncie? Now, why does Ingram bring that guy to mind?

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

When you are at best an "average" RB and you fumble,"have a seat on the bench until we can find you a new home".

 

[blackadder]

I saw a few flashes of the elite acceleration at times this season but certainly it hasn't been consistent. Perhaps there is an injury we're unaware of.

I think Ingram bounces back and solidifies his starting position again to the disappointment of many Saints fans. He'll have a great game in a week or two and many will complain that he should have been great all year or minimize his success. Because he was a first rounder, Saints fans have expected an all-pro RB and that he is not BUT he is way more than just average.

I do look forward to Ingram being traded to a more run-oriented team and to an offense that is a better fit for his skill set. The issue with Ingram is not skill but rather compatibility. An argument can be made that at times Payton underutilized Ingram in the passing game or failed in giving it to him more consistently to develop a rhythm as he did with Hightower yesterday. Flame away but my feeling is that over the course of the game Ingram could have had similar success as Hightower yesterday had he been given 26 carries OR touches. It may have looked different but I think there could have been a similar outcome.

What I am wary of is how long Payton will force Ingram to get him to bounce back. We are still behind the pitch count and need to win games more than manage Ingram's confidence. If Hightower is the the hot hand than need to ride him to victory, above all else, and work Ingram back in slowly.

 

[mountaineerdude]

Ingram will fetch us a 5th round pick if we trade him next offseason ...

 

[Goatman Saint]

Y'all overreact much? For all the Hightower love, he's never averaged over 4 yards a carry. He looks like he is, but numbers don't lie. As far as Ingram I don't remember all his fumbles but the ones I do remember are exactly like this last one. He's still trying to push the pile when he gets stood up, and continues to try to drive as the defense is trying to strip the ball. In that situation the defense will eventually get it out. Ingram needs to learn when he's in that situation to go down. Get what you can get and go down.


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[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Y'all overreact much? For all the Hightower love, he's never averaged over 4 yards a carry. He looks like he is, but numbers don't lie. As far as Ingram I don't remember all his fumbles but the ones I do remember are exactly like this last one. He's still trying to push the pile when he gets stood up, and continues to try to drive as the defense is trying to strip the ball. In that situation the defense will eventually get it out. Ingram needs to learn when he's in that situation to go down. Get what you can get and go down.


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Some of that can be dictated by style of offense. Hightower in a run first offense without a good QB means 8 in the box a lot. Thus lower YPC. Put him in an offense with a threat @WB and he's got bigger lanes and more room to maneuver.

Sometimes u have to ask why..instead of just stating the obvious. Similarly Ingram would prob Me more effective in a run first offense because he's a volume runner.

 

[Winter]

Not to mention Payton tried to give Lasco a few runs and he wasn't breaking through either. Although I agree with the sentiment of us needing to move on from Ingram, I think this game was more about Hightower's drive to win and run hard. Like others have said, feed the hot hand, feed the hungry one. We'll see how Ingram responds when he gets his next chance. Will he run with something to prove? or let it bring him down. I hope this only makes us better.

 

[Goatman Saint]

Some of that can be dictated by style of offense. Hightower in a run first offense without a good QB means 8 in the box a lot. Thus lower YPC. Put him in an offense with a threat @WB and he's got bigger lanes and more room to maneuver.



Sometimes u have to ask why..instead of just stating the obvious. Similarly Ingram would prob Me more effective in a run first offense because he's a volume runner.

He actually has a lower yards per carry average in New Orleans than in Arizona, neither of which has he ever been a run first offense. He has primarily been used much the way PT was with the Saints. The knock on Hightower out of college was also that exact thing. He's your basic running back, no great fear of taking it on long gains. Which is fine.


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[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

He actually has a lower yards per carry average in New Orleans than in Arizona, neither of which has he ever been a run first offense. He has primarily been used much the way PT was with the Saints. The knock on Hightower out of college was also that exact thing. He's your basic running back, no great fear of taking it on long gains. Which is fine.


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Touche.

 

[zigzag]

You might be right. Ingram is an effective RB. Because we've had more entertaining violent runners who were not picked in the first round or even drafted like Robinson AND Ivory, Ingram is often forgotten about by fans because more is expected of him and some of the things he does well goes unnoticed or is under appreciated. Just take a look at his career highlight and one might be surprised at many of the great plays Ingram has provided us since 2006:

http://youtu.be/jEJhpozZ7fQ

Since 06?

 

[slaym]

Maybe we can trade him.

 

[Vermont Saint]

Y'all overreact much? For all the Hightower love, he's never averaged over 4 yards a carry. He looks like he is, but numbers don't lie. As far as Ingram I don't remember all his fumbles but the ones I do remember are exactly like this last one. He's still trying to push the pile when he gets stood up, and continues to try to drive as the defense is trying to strip the ball. In that situation the defense will eventually get it out. Ingram needs to learn when he's in that situation to go down. Get what you can get and go down.


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There is the irony in this thread regarding Ingram's passion and effort. His recent fumble problems are a direct result of his effort and unwillingness to go down. He is simply not, by any metric, a fumble prone back. I would guess he was benched not because of this fumble, but because he made the same mistake in consecutive weeks. As soon as we need to return to a pass oriented offensive game plan, Ingram will return, and heads will explode. Like it or not, he is the team's most talented, versatile back. The most impressive thing to me, however, was the great execution the offense displayed playing a different style of football. This should warm the hearts of all here who seem fixated on the Saints playing 1960s SEC style offense.