Ingram benched [OLD THREAD BUMPED]

[Goatman Saint]

Y'all overreact much? For all the Hightower love, he's never averaged over 4 yards a carry. He looks like he is, but numbers don't lie. As far as Ingram I don't remember all his fumbles but the ones I do remember are exactly like this last one. He's still trying to push the pile when he gets stood up, and continues to try to drive as the defense is trying to strip the ball. In that situation the defense will eventually get it out. Ingram needs to learn when he's in that situation to go down. Get what you can get and go down.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Y'all overreact much? For all the Hightower love, he's never averaged over 4 yards a carry. He looks like he is, but numbers don't lie. As far as Ingram I don't remember all his fumbles but the ones I do remember are exactly like this last one. He's still trying to push the pile when he gets stood up, and continues to try to drive as the defense is trying to strip the ball. In that situation the defense will eventually get it out. Ingram needs to learn when he's in that situation to go down. Get what you can get and go down.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Some of that can be dictated by style of offense. Hightower in a run first offense without a good QB means 8 in the box a lot. Thus lower YPC. Put him in an offense with a threat @WB and he's got bigger lanes and more room to maneuver.

Sometimes u have to ask why..instead of just stating the obvious. Similarly Ingram would prob Me more effective in a run first offense because he's a volume runner.

 

[Winter]

Not to mention Payton tried to give Lasco a few runs and he wasn't breaking through either. Although I agree with the sentiment of us needing to move on from Ingram, I think this game was more about Hightower's drive to win and run hard. Like others have said, feed the hot hand, feed the hungry one. We'll see how Ingram responds when he gets his next chance. Will he run with something to prove? or let it bring him down. I hope this only makes us better.

 

[Goatman Saint]

Some of that can be dictated by style of offense. Hightower in a run first offense without a good QB means 8 in the box a lot. Thus lower YPC. Put him in an offense with a threat @WB and he's got bigger lanes and more room to maneuver.



Sometimes u have to ask why..instead of just stating the obvious. Similarly Ingram would prob Me more effective in a run first offense because he's a volume runner.

He actually has a lower yards per carry average in New Orleans than in Arizona, neither of which has he ever been a run first offense. He has primarily been used much the way PT was with the Saints. The knock on Hightower out of college was also that exact thing. He's your basic running back, no great fear of taking it on long gains. Which is fine.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

He actually has a lower yards per carry average in New Orleans than in Arizona, neither of which has he ever been a run first offense. He has primarily been used much the way PT was with the Saints. The knock on Hightower out of college was also that exact thing. He's your basic running back, no great fear of taking it on long gains. Which is fine.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Touche.

 

[zigzag]

You might be right. Ingram is an effective RB. Because we've had more entertaining violent runners who were not picked in the first round or even drafted like Robinson AND Ivory, Ingram is often forgotten about by fans because more is expected of him and some of the things he does well goes unnoticed or is under appreciated. Just take a look at his career highlight and one might be surprised at many of the great plays Ingram has provided us since 2006:

http://youtu.be/jEJhpozZ7fQ

Since 06?

 

[slaym]

Maybe we can trade him.

 

[Vermont Saint]

Y'all overreact much? For all the Hightower love, he's never averaged over 4 yards a carry. He looks like he is, but numbers don't lie. As far as Ingram I don't remember all his fumbles but the ones I do remember are exactly like this last one. He's still trying to push the pile when he gets stood up, and continues to try to drive as the defense is trying to strip the ball. In that situation the defense will eventually get it out. Ingram needs to learn when he's in that situation to go down. Get what you can get and go down.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

There is the irony in this thread regarding Ingram's passion and effort. His recent fumble problems are a direct result of his effort and unwillingness to go down. He is simply not, by any metric, a fumble prone back. I would guess he was benched not because of this fumble, but because he made the same mistake in consecutive weeks. As soon as we need to return to a pass oriented offensive game plan, Ingram will return, and heads will explode. Like it or not, he is the team's most talented, versatile back. The most impressive thing to me, however, was the great execution the offense displayed playing a different style of football. This should warm the hearts of all here who seem fixated on the Saints playing 1960s SEC style offense.

 

[GoBnG]

Maybe we can trade him.

Ingram for Hayden? Id do it.

 

[HayBear]

Ingram will return, and heads will explode.

I doubt this very much. He is what he is, an average+ NFL back. Less than average vision and lacking in "Breakaway"speed. We've seen the best he can provide and it is not worthy of moving up in the draft to select him in the first round. Either you are an Alabama fan who swears by him, or you are not.

He does give 100% effort on every play, but this in itself is not enough to warrant his being a #1 back. It's time to move on.

 

[Vermont Saint]

I doubt this very much. He is what he is, an average+ NFL back. Less than average vision and lacking in "Breakaway"speed. We've seen the best he can provide and it is not worthy of moving up in the draft to select him in the first round. Either you are an Alabama fan who swears by him, or you are not.

He does give 100% effort on every play, but this in itself is not enough to warrant his being a #1 back. It's time to move on.

I meant "heads will explode"here, on this forum. Not an Alabama fan, but I must disagree, I think Ingram is a good back who performs very well in our system.

 

[Randy Jones]

After perusing this thread, it is amazing how quickly fan loyalty dissipates. Up until yesterday, Ingram had only 3 rushing fumbles in over 800+ carries and only 3 fumbles in over 100 receptions. Okay, he has hit a rough patch with fumbling the last two games and many of you are willing to give up on him completely. The stats don't support the conclusion some of you drawn have that he is a subpar back and has always been.

Fumbling by the way can be attributable to many things. Poor blocking, an ailment, lack of focus. However, it is safe to say that in 6 years, he has not been fumble prone. Generally, fumbilitis is very fixable especially for a back like Ingram. In addition, during the last 6 years he has averaged 4.2 yards per carry.

I would suggest many of your poor opinions about are short-sighted, premature, and undeserving. Don't gang up on him yet. He is a valuable and productive member of the team who deserves our support and not our derision just he had a bad game or two. Everybody gets in a slump, but it doesn't mean they should be shown the door.

Give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say we draft a RB in a later round next year.

 

[Randy Jones]

By the way, lets add some perspective here. Emmiitt Smith had 1 fumble per 116 carries. Adrian Peterson has 1 fumble per 70 carries. Deuce Mcallister had 1 fumble per 71 carries. Last but not least. Ingram has 1 fumble per 160 carries. Finally, his Y/A are only 1/10 of a per cent below Deuce's.