Is Mike McCarthy possibly the Saints next head coach if Dallas lets him walk? (9 Viewers)

[longtime lurker]

Come on, read coverage from his Arizona stint. He is not head coach material.

Agreed, I kept an eye on his time out in Phoenix and the guys teams were unfocused and had no accountability…his time as HC was very similar to DA’s time with the Saints.

Here are a lot of Cards fans on Him as a HC…he was a good OC but all the rest of what makes a good HC was just not there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AZCardinals/s/hfhyGiPQ93

 

[DSnfla]

I stand by everything I wrote, including my belief that he is not responsible for any of the things I've seen Daniels do off script -- which is quite a bit.

We're not going to agree and we're not going to sway each other by going back and forth.

I maintain Kingsbury is a subpar candidate for HC. Your argument just doesn't work for me. For example, in one breath you say he developed Murray and in another you say Murray is a head case and contributed to Kingsbury being fired. So, which is it?

It's both. KK developed KM the 1st 3 yrs there and then he went bonkers and would play video games instead of watching film , so much so that they had to put it in his contract extension that he had to watch so many hrs of film. AZ went 4-13 in that yr mostly because Murray played like crap, took a lot of sacks and threw untimely picks. Plus Hopkins was suspended for 6 games

 

[DSnfla]

Agreed, I kept an eye on his time out in Phoenix and the guys teams were unfocused and had no accountability…his time as HC was very similar to DA’s time with the Saints.

Here are a lot of Cards fans on Him as a HC…he was a good OC but all the rest of what makes a good HC was just not there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AZCardinals/s/hfhyGiPQ93

Well they were focused enough to improve the 1st 3 yrs he was there including 11-6 in 21. Murray and Hopkins suspended for 6 games derailed the season

 

[SweetT]

That's fair, but doesn't mean he's qualified to be a HC. I still don't think he can take credit for what Daniels has done this year.

So you give all of the credit to JD5?
A rookie QB? Tell me you are joking?!?!

 

[Steve in Colorado]

Response to SweetT:

When you look at most of his game changing plays, it is his off script abilities that made them happen, not play design. But sure, I'll give Kingsbury some credit as OC for Daniels' transition to the NFL, but that doesn't qualify him for another HC opportunity.

 

[BBarnes]

Jones likely isn't going to let McCarthy walk. He's not very reactive and that Dallas team, while it hasn't played well, has continued to fight w/ Jones publically complementing him for not allowing them to give in. If his handling of Jason Garrett is any glimpse into what he's likely to do, McCarthy is getting resigned.

Would he be a candidate? Absolutely...the familiarit for Loomis is there and he fits the "experienced" criteria that Loomis values.

Jones doesn’t get a say in it other than the offer he makes Mike, which, that is a big part of it. However, if Mike wants to leave there’s nothing that can be done.

Hopefully he stays put.

 

[BBarnes]

Theirs is no coach that has been involved with developing more QB talent than Kingsbury. from Mahomes to Murray to Williams to Daniels. He was not a bad HC in AZ. He had to deal with Murray and Covid and the Bidwells. He's in my top 5 of guys we should be going after

He’s an absolute terrible head coach and will never produce a consistent winner at the NFL level. You can mark that down now and hold me to it. He wouldn’t be all that much better than DA

 

[Saintman2884]

BTW, I would put Belichick more in the anomaly category then Reid. A decade ago, Andy Reid was sort in the same position as McCarthy is right now: very good, consistently-winning HC who had won a lot of games but unlike even McCarthy, hadn't won the Super Bowl or was criticized by his detractors in Philly and even early on in Kansas City that he couldn't advance past a.certain point in the post-season. He could make very good QB's look better then they really were but until he found "his guy" "his Tom Brady" in Patrick Mahomes, he'd only won one post season game as Chiefs HC. When he found his "Brady", this almost-mythical, superhuman duel-purpose QB, he found a way to maximize every possible aspect of talent he knew existed in Mahomes, plus he had a great supporting cast already in place.He's not really an anomaly, he just finally found that guy who makes the pieces all fall into place and can still succeed whenever it screws up sometimes. McCarthy had that sort of superstar QB in Aaron Rodgers for over a decade and aside from one SB win, he left quite a few wins in the regular-season and post-season on the table.

Jones doesn’t get a say in it other than the offer he makes Mike, which, that is a big part of it. However, if Mike wants to leave there’s nothing that can be done.

Hopefully he stays put.

The only reason why I can see Jones staying with McCarthy a few more seasons at best is because he still remains his best overall choice as HC. Belichick likely would be the incoming HC if his price, and his overall demands for on-and-off team personnel control weren't too high and ego-bruising for Jones and his family to tolerate or allow and maybe Mike Vrabel likely doesn't want his second HC coaching stint dominated by being another "puppet HC" of Jerry Jones in Dallas.

If Belichick had allowed himself to be more amenable and not demand the same level of power, influence over personnel issues as he did in New England but knowing those two men's enormous, meglomaniacal egos and maybe based partly off his frustrating experiences butting heads with Bill Parcells, Jones doesn't want to re-create those same experiences again and he's not getting any younger.

 

[Treybad]

Jerry Jones ego will make McCarthy resign before firing him

 

[St. Geezy]

Well they were focused enough to improve the 1st 3 yrs he was there including 11-6 in 21. Murray and Hopkins suspended for 6 games derailed the season

Yeah I believe Kingsbury got a bit of a raw deal and deserves an interview.

I know it wouldn’t be popular, but I also believe Matt Nagy was in that same sort of “raw deal” boat and should at least be interviewed just to see what he has to say and what he’s learned over the past few years.

Regardless of what happened with DA, who had ZERO success at his prior stop, there is some potential value there in getting an experienced HC that has had some mild success at their first stop, fizzled out, then had time to sit behind someone else and re-evaluate again, sort of like Bill Belichick.

…bonus points if that “Mild success at their first stop” came at Head Coach and Quarterback Graveyard organizations like Arizona and Chicago.

 

[texasjefe]

Kingsbury could be an interesting hire, as long as he's grown up and no longer carries himself like a selfish hipster.

He was raised in football by The Pirate Mike Leach and was the first QB star in the Texas Tech Air Raid days.

At Arizona, he was working with a personality twin in Kyler Murray. A lot of flash, but low on substance.

As for the Commanders, Jayden Daniels is a natural and a must watch for me, but I never think about Kingsbury.

But for the Saints, Kingsbury could be fun and get the scoring up.

 

[sfidc3]

No thanks to MM.....don't believe he is much better than DA.....

 

[JPSaints87]

If we can't get either Ben Johnson or Mike Vrabel, get Jon Gruden.

He is an offensive minded HC and he has no problem of lightning a fire under a player's butt both in practice & on the sideline. We lost all those traits this past season

 

[mdharper]

The problem with McCarthy is the same as it was with DA. Accountability.

Leads to inconsistency, especially in the clutch.

 

[TenTwo]

If we can't get either Ben Johnson or Mike Vrabel, get Jon Gruden.

He is an offensive minded HC and he has no problem of lightning a fire under a player's butt both in practice & on the sideline. We lost all those traits this past season

Hey Jon welcome to the forum and good luck in your head coach search and getting back into the League.