Jake Haener (3 Viewers)

[meily]

Hard to see the miscommunication, that throw never should have been made. No route adjustment built into that play call is stopping the DB from undercutting the route.

The WR probably didn’t expect the ball because he had the DB sitting right on top of him, he’s basically running a clear out route at that point.

How do you know what the route adjustment was built into the play call? Your saying the offensive coordinator called a play where the wide receiver had no responsibility on the route and the QB knew that and threw it anyway?

 

[Rouxble]

How do you know what the route adjustment was built into the play call? Your saying the offensive coordinator called a play where the wide receiver had no responsibility on the route and the QB knew that and threw it anyway?

I’m saying the QB misread the defense. The play call very much looks like four verticals, which could include a back shoulder throw on the fade route against man coverage, but I can’t imagine Haener makes that throw if he sees the DB sitting on it.

 

[StudioSaint]

The DB eyed Haener the whole way while Haener eyed the receiver the whole way, and the DB broke on the throw immediately to make the pick. If the ball gets there faster and/or if the QB doesn’t stare down the read, the ball probably doesn’t get picked. I don’t know why he would throw back shoulder against a DB who is playing over the top with cushion and good hip angle, although I’ll point out Haener makes a successful back shoulder throw later against man coverage that looked good.

Drew Brees said the pick was because Haener made the correct throw to the back shoulder and the WR did not anticipate and set up to receive the back shoulder throw.

I think Brees's assessment has more knowledge and credibility.

 

[Rouxble]

Drew Brees said the pick was because Haener made the correct throw to the back shoulder and the WR did not anticipate and set up to receive the back shoulder throw.

I think Brees's assessment has more knowledge and credibility.

He also followed up with a joke about how it’s never the QB’s fault. Watch the video for yourself, it’s not hard to see that the throw had no chance. The WR could have possibly tried to break it up, but at the end of the day the DB is getting in front of that throw. Haener takes the dump off and it’s third down with less to go.

All QB’s make mistakes, it’s funny that no one wants to accept that the camp MVP made one here.

 

[StudioSaint]

He also followed up with a joke about how it’s never the QB’s fault. Watch the video for yourself, it’s not hard to see that the throw had no chance. The WR could have possibly tried to break it up, but at the end of the day the DB is getting in front of that throw. Haener takes the dump off and it’s third down with less to go.

All QB’s make mistakes, it’s funny that no one wants to accept that the camp MVP made one here.

Brees joke was in no way him saying his assessment of the interception was a joke. That's a reach being made to try to discredit Brees's assessment because you don't agree with it. You know Brees has more knowledge and understanding of the game than any of us here, so you're reaching to incorrectly try to make Brees's sincere assessment as insincere based off of the off the cuff joke he made afterwards.

I watched the play live and didn't know what to think, because I've never been involved with professional football, especially as a QB. I also watched the replays as Brees explained what happened and I saw what Brees was saying.

You see it different from how Brees saw it. Only Pete Carmichael and Haener know for certain who was expected to do what on the play.

It seems to me you had already decided when Haener was drafted that he's never going to be a good NFL QB. You've actually said as much. Since you've already made up your mind on that, you're only going to see anything Haener does as proof that he will never be an NFL QB. You're going to dismiss anything anyone says otherwise, including Drew Brees.

 

[meily]

I’m saying the QB misread the defense. The play call very much looks like four verticals, which could include a back shoulder throw on the fade route against man coverage, but I can’t imagine Haener makes that throw if he sees the DB sitting on it.

Or the WR did not read the defense and make the route adjustment the QB anticipated he would/should make in that coverage, so it was a miscommunication between the two.

 

[Rouxble]

Or the WR did not read the defense and make the route adjustment the QB anticipated he would/should make in that coverage, so it was a miscommunication between the two.

Even if your version were true, the DB is already breaking on the ball here:


He is leaping to high point the ball from the 46 here.


There is no route adjustment that puts the WR between the ball and the DB. The ball is going to splash down inside the 45, where the receiver is headed whether he knows the ball is coming or not.

No way that Haener was coached/advised to make that throw in that area of the field against that coverage. The pass is DOA as soon as he starts to wind up. My best guess is that he fixated on the trailing DB and didn’t see the one playing over the top.

 

[Rouxble]

Brees joke was in no way him saying his assessment of the interception was a joke. That's a reach being made to try to discredit Brees's assessment because you don't agree with it. You know Brees has more knowledge and understanding of the game than any of us here, so you're reaching to incorrectly try to make Brees's sincere assessment as insincere based off of the off the cuff joke he made afterwards.

I watched the play live and didn't know what to think, because I've never been involved with professional football, especially as a QB. I also watched the replays as Brees explained what happened and I saw what Brees was saying.

You see it different from how Brees saw it. Only Pete Carmichael and Haener know for certain who was expected to do what on the play.

It seems to me you had already decided when Haener was drafted that he's never going to be a good NFL QB. You've actually said as much. Since you've already made up your mind on that, you're only going to see anything Haener does as proof that he will never be an NFL QB. You're going to dismiss anything anyone says otherwise, including Drew Brees.

Four verticals is a common play in playbooks at all levels, I think even a casual fan can figure out that ball shouldn’t be thrown. The vertical space is covered and the DB has a hip angle that lets him break on anything underneath, the QB should check it down and live to see another day. If the DB turns his hips upfield than the WR has a shot, but that never happened because he bailed at the snap (which Haener might not have seen, instead expecting him to turn and run since he started off lined up close to the LOS when Haener looked pre snap).

Haener may very well turn into a good player, its not like this one throw in a preseason game defines his career. I only started discussing the interception when another poster mentioned that Haener does not stare down receivers (which he did here).

I do think his success is very unlikely for reasons stated earlier, and that he has a much bigger uphill climb than training camp reports have suggested. I’ve seen people compare his ability to peak Brees, which I think a casual fan can also easily recognize as not realistic.

 

[Judge_Smails]

Drew Brees said the pick was because Haener made the correct throw to the back shoulder and the WR did not anticipate and set up to receive the back shoulder throw.

I think Brees's assessment has more knowledge and credibility.

Drew also said immediately afterwards that ”it’s never the QB’s fault, LOL.”

 

[BELOWSEALEVEL]

I'm looking forward to game 2 with better personel on the field around him. He got his feet wet a little and will be itching to get back out there. No worries from me

 

[meily]

Even if your version were true, the DB is already breaking on the ball here:


He is leaping to high point the ball from the 46 here.


There is no route adjustment that puts the WR between the ball and the DB. The ball is going to splash down inside the 45, where the receiver is headed whether he knows the ball is coming or not.

No way that Haener was coached/advised to make that throw in that area of the field against that coverage. The pass is DOA as soon as he starts to wind up. My best guess is that he fixated on the trailing DB and didn’t see the one playing over the top.

Your whole explanation shows a lack of awareness from the WR, your using these clips as an example against Haener and everybody else is seeing a miscommunication between a QB and receiver.....did you watch the rest of the game once he found a groove and QB'd a game winning drive, show those clips....

 

[DSnfla]

That’s what it means to play with a cushion, and on this play the DB never has to turn his hips to run upfield so he is able to easily break on the ball and make the pick. If the WR breaks the cushion and makes the DB turn and run, a back shoulder or comeback might work.

Also, the play looks like four verticals, so the receiver running a 15yd out isn’t even an option. He draws his defender deep and outside to either get open or to help open up the seam.

The right throw was the checkdown on this one, maybe the #3 receiver could have been a target but the Gruden method is pick a side, make a read, and check it down if neither of the two guys on that side get open. Haener obviously picked the left side so he would have picked the check down instead of looking at the #3.

I disagree , The DB absolutely has to turn his hips to make a break on the ball. And Washington should have pulled up. Maybe that's part of the reason he was cut today

 

[DSnfla]

You and Brees are both going to be wrong no matter what in your assessment. You know that right?

How so?

 

[Rouxble]

Your whole explanation shows a lack of awareness from the WR, your using these clips as an example against Haener and everybody else is seeing a miscommunication between a QB and receiver.....did you watch the rest of the game once he found a groove and QB'd a game winning drive, show those clips....

What route adjustment makes this a completion? There isn’t one.

Also, never said he didn’t make any plays. I even pointed out a good back shoulder throw he made later against man coverage.

 

[Rouxble]

I disagree , The DB absolutely has to turn his hips to make a break on the ball. And Washington should have pulled up. Maybe that's part of the reason he was cut today

Pulled up where? Was the design of the route to stop several yards short of the sticks and box out for a jump ball? With a 5’11” receiver?

And yes, the DB turned his hips for the pick, but his hips were in position to turn 90 and jump the route. If he turns them upfield in response to the cushion getting broken on the vertical route, Washington likely looks for the ball, and we’re talking about a nice throw into a tight window. It’s a lot harder for the DB to do a 180 to jump the route.