Jake Haener (1 Viewer)

[DSnfla]

The DB eyed Haener the whole way while Haener eyed the receiver the whole way, and the DB broke on the throw immediately to make the pick. If the ball gets there faster and/or if the QB doesn’t stare down the read, the ball probably doesn’t get picked. I don’t know why he would throw back shoulder against a DB who is playing over the top with cushion and good hip angle, although I’ll point out Haener makes a successful back shoulder throw later against man coverage that looked good.

Not true , the DB was almost even with the WR and a bit inside.The WR was clueless and not even looking for the ball , had he been a back shoulder throw was warranted. Even Brees said he got no help from the WR

 

[Rouxble]

Jake's arm is comparable to Brees in his prime, Didn't hinder him did it? This misnomer that you need a rocket arm to be a great QB in the NFL is ludicrous. I can name 10 guys that had cannon arms that were busts. Can you name 10 QB's that were good to great at processing and going thru their reads and knowing where the ball is supposed to go pre-snap that had an above-average arm? Go ahead , I'll wait

I don’t think you’re giving Brees enough credit for his arm, in his prime it was way better than what I saw from Haener yesterday. Haener has to load up before he throws, Carr and Brees just let it rip.

Watch Carr next game on a good throw, he doesn’t even need to move his feet to throw a better ball. Haener has to pick up his lead foot and step into the throw to drive it, significantly slowing down his release while still having less power than Carr. It will also limit his ability to make those throws under pressure, while Carr or prime Brees could still throw a bullet in a crowded pocket.

Haener’s fast balls tend to have a higher trajectory as well, which is a tell tale for slower speed.

 

[Rouxble]

That was written by Lance Zierlein who has never been a pro scout , coach or player. I love how there are so many so-called experts putting out an opinion that don't have the resume's to back it up. Almost all the scout and Ron Curry that coached him at the senior bowl said Jake has a a very quick release, I watched him more than a few times look off the defender, so the gazes at target too long is BS. Also in every scouting report Jake was praised for his accuracy so the "Needs to be much more consistent with ball placement is wrong as well

Did you watch the interception, where he stared down his target until he threw it to the waiting DB? Also the off target throws he had in the game where the ball sailed on him?

 

[Rouxble]

Not true , the DB was almost even with the WR and a bit inside.The WR was clueless and not even looking for the ball , had he been a back shoulder throw was warranted. Even Brees said he got no help from the WR

You’re just wrong on this one, the DB was playing with cushion and broke on the ball when he saw Haener throw. The pass had no shot even if the receiver was looking for a back shoulder.


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[DSnfla]

You’re just wrong on this one, the DB was playing with cushion and broke on the ball when he saw Haener throw. The pass had no shot even if the receiver was looking for a back shoulder.


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DB is playing off coverage and sidestepping BACKWARDS. Based on this coverage the WR should have run a 15yrd stop and out, but he does not. He's looking to his right and not even looking for the ball. he does not stop. He doesn't even really look back for the ball. Had he stopped like he should have he would have had a chance to make the catch since the DB was playing off ball. Now it may have been a bit high and not really a back-shoulder throw but it would have put the WR in position to make the catch

 

[Rouxble]

DB is playing off coverage and sidestepping BACKWARDS. Based on this coverage the WR should have run a 15yrd stop and out, but he does not. He's looking to his right and not even looking for the ball. he does not stop. He doesn't even really look back for the ball. Had he stopped like he should have he would have had a chance to make the catch since the DB was playing off ball. Now it may have been a bit high and not really a back-shoulder throw but it would have put the WR in position to make the catch

That’s what it means to play with a cushion, and on this play the DB never has to turn his hips to run upfield so he is able to easily break on the ball and make the pick. If the WR breaks the cushion and makes the DB turn and run, a back shoulder or comeback might work.

Also, the play looks like four verticals, so the receiver running a 15yd out isn’t even an option. He draws his defender deep and outside to either get open or to help open up the seam.

The right throw was the checkdown on this one, maybe the #3 receiver could have been a target but the Gruden method is pick a side, make a read, and check it down if neither of the two guys on that side get open. Haener obviously picked the left side so he would have picked the check down instead of looking at the #3.

 

[Rouxble]

I've posted an article before in which the author does a good job of analyzing the arm talent of the QBs in the 2020 draft. I've posted it a couple of times that I remember, so I'll just link back to the more recent post rather than sharing another direct link to the article. (It now requires a free account to read but I think it's something you might actually enjoy, given your interest in data-analysis.)

I appreciate you sharing the article again. I still hold the same opinions on Haener, maybe even more so than before, after reading the article.

- He mentions arm length as a detriment to ball speed. With an arm length of 29.75”, Haener’s arms are more than an inch shorter than QB’s identified as having the shortest arms in that draft class. His ceiling is set lower by default.
- Haener has a slower release than what people think, he has to wind up his throws. He also has a slower trigger speed than what gets claimed, but I’ll give him a pass on that as he learns the playbook and gets opportunities with better skill players.
- On a slower release/slower ball speed, the author mentions .05 seconds being significant enough to be late. Haener was .31 seconds late at my best estimate on the throw I looked at, he’s going to get picked if he can’t speed up. I mentioned in another post he probably can’t because he needs to step into his throw to drive the ball. Easy to do in 7-on-7, not so easy with the pocket collapsing around you.

Here are two clips I captured that show Carr vs Haener on release for a similar distance throw, Carr let’s it loose on his reset where Haener has to load up, costing him around .12-.15 seconds just on the release. His trigger speed was also very slow on this play, but again I’m not going to beat him up about it just yet.

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[dr61258]

The way he holds himself and throws the ball is a striking resemblance to a former Saints QB.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

DB is playing off coverage and sidestepping BACKWARDS. Based on this coverage the WR should have run a 15yrd stop and out, but he does not. He's looking to his right and not even looking for the ball. he does not stop. He doesn't even really look back for the ball. Had he stopped like he should have he would have had a chance to make the catch since the DB was playing off ball. Now it may have been a bit high and not really a back-shoulder throw but it would have put the WR in position to make the catch

You and Brees are both going to be wrong no matter what in your assessment. You know that right?

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Just kicking back and watching INTs get vehemently defended all of a sudden

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I appreciate you sharing the article again. I still hold the same opinions on Haener, maybe even more so than before, after reading the article.

- He mentions arm length as a detriment to ball speed. With an arm length of 29.75”, Haener’s arms are more than an inch shorter than QB’s identified as having the shortest arms in that draft class. His ceiling is set lower by default.
- Haener has a slower release than what people think, he has to wind up his throws. He also has a slower trigger speed than what gets claimed, but I’ll give him a pass on that as he learns the playbook and gets opportunities with better skill players.
- On a slower release/slower ball speed, the author mentions .05 seconds being significant enough to be late. Haener was .31 seconds late at my best estimate on the throw I looked at, he’s going to get picked if he can’t speed up. I mentioned in another post he probably can’t because he needs to step into his throw to drive the ball. Easy to do in 7-on-7, not so easy with the pocket collapsing around you.

Here are two clips I captured that show Carr vs Haener on release for a similar distance throw, Carr let’s it loose on his reset where Haener has to load up, costing him around .12-.15 seconds just on the release. His trigger speed was also very slow on this play, but again I’m not going to beat him up about it just yet.

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I see what you see. His mechanics can improve

 

[SuperDome]

Teams can carry a 3rd QB that won't count towards the 53 this year. He won't be going to the PS.

I believe they will count against the 53, but they won’t count against the GAMEDAY roster.

 

[meily]

Just kicking back and watching INTs get vehemently defended all of a sudden

The finger pointing on the interception is what's perplexing to me, as it was an obvious miscommunications that some people are trying to spin into a Haener made a bad throw and its evidence that he may not turn out to be a good player in the future.

 

[Rouxble]

The finger pointing on the interception is what's perplexing to me, as it was an obvious miscommunications that some people are trying to spin into a Haener made a bad throw and its evidence that he may not turn out to be a good player in the future.

Hard to see the miscommunication, that throw never should have been made. No route adjustment built into that play call is stopping the DB from undercutting the route.

The WR probably didn’t expect the ball because he had the DB sitting right on top of him, he’s basically running a clear out route at that point.

 

[Complex Kid]

8 page thread including videos and charts dissecting a 3rd string QB playing in his first preseason game throwing an interception in his first professional drive...FOOTBALL SEASON IS BACK BABY!!!!