Jake Haener (2 Viewers)

[bobad]

I'm more worried about his size than his arm talent and I certainly don't think he's anything close to a sure thing, but if he doesn't pan out, I don't think it will be because he doesn't possess enough arm strength.

You're right, he has a lively arm, stronger than many NFL greats.

He is indeed short but taller than several NFL greats. He's plenty smart and just athletic enough to learn, adapt, and find throwing lanes. His best talents are accuracy, finding the open man very quickly, and getting the ball out. Those talents are a little rarer than a cannon arm.

He's been called a "field general", which Payton calls a "CEO". I don't know if that's deserved, but I have seen his smarts, and he's top-notch in that regard.

I have no idea if he will ever be a starter, I'm just saying that he has some solid talents.

 

[ShortFuzed9]

The ball seems to rocket out of his hands…..I was highly impressed

The missile he threw on the pick Impressed me to the point I had to post this now, After that he settled down and looked great in the pocket. IS He is the One!

 

[Nolan]

I was thrilled with what I saw out of him personally, from start to finish.

 

[CowtownSaint]

Both Brees and Carr had really good things to say about Haener, I found it odd how much they are behind the kid. I trust their assessment on his potential.

 

[Rouxble]

Getting the ball there late isn’t just about arm talent, though.

And again, I don’t think the discussion is whether Haener it’s top level arm talent. It was referring to it as “weak,” which is quite an overstatement, imo.

Fair enough, weak may have been the wrong word, but I think his scouting report was on display during the game, particularly the interception.



I'm just not buying the hype on Haener, who more or less has been crowned as the clear heir apparent for Carr based on training camp reports. A below-average release coupled with below-average arm strength is going to put a hard ceiling on his NFL future, even if he can quickly ID an open receiver.

 

[Swampy Saint]

You're right, he has a lively arm, stronger than many NFL greats.

He is indeed short but taller than several NFL greats. He's plenty smart and just athletic enough to learn, adapt, and find throwing lanes. His best talents are accuracy, finding the open man very quickly, and getting the ball out. Those talents are a little rarer than a cannon arm.

He's been called a "field general", which Payton called a "CEO". I don't know if that's deserved or not, but I have seen his smarts, and he's top-notch in that regard.

I have no idea if he will ever be a starter, just saying that he has some solid talents

Fair enough, weak may have been the wrong word, but I think his scouting report was on display during the game, particularly the interception.



I'm just not buying the hype on Haener, who more or less has been crowned as the clear heir apparent for Carr based on training camp reports. A below-average release coupled with below-average arm strength is going to put a hard ceiling on his NFL future, even if he can quickly ID an open receiver.

Good Grief man.



Can you find something else to rag on this morning?

 

[DavidM]

Fair enough, weak may have been the wrong word, but I think his scouting report was on display during the game, particularly the interception.



I'm just not buying the hype on Haener, who more or less has been crowned as the clear heir apparent for Carr based on training camp reports. A below-average release coupled with below-average arm strength is going to put a hard ceiling on his NFL future, even if he can quickly ID an open receiver.

This is from another random report on him:

Jake Haener Scouting Report​

Strengths​

• Above-average arm strength
• Above-average creation capacity and athleticism off-script
• Has the arm elasticity to adjust throwing angles and throw off-platform
• Remarkable competitive toughness and resolve
• Clutch playmaker in crucial moments
• Adept processor who can progress, manipulate, and trigger quickly
• Able to anticipate windows downfield and outside the numbers
• Accurate distributor with smooth pocket navigation

 

[Nolan]

Fair enough, weak may have been the wrong word, but I think his scouting report was on display during the game, particularly the interception.



I'm just not buying the hype on Haener, who more or less has been crowned as the clear heir apparent for Carr based on training camp reports. A below-average release coupled with below-average arm strength is going to put a hard ceiling on his NFL future, even if he can quickly ID an open receiver.

Who wrote that scouting report? The report on his release and arm talent I think are a bit off. The ball zips out of his hands and more importantly he cuts it loose on time. You could see that easily yesterday. His arm and release didn't have anything to do with the interception, it was clear he and the WR were not on the same page.

 

[DavidM]

Here's an aggregate of scouting reports put together by Sigler. Some are more positive about his arm talent than others. I really think it's an overemphasized criticism of him, though. Book had a weak arm and that was on display the minute he stepped on an NFL field. Haener won't beat you with arm strength, but neither will Joe Burrow.

What pre-draft scouting reports said about Saints fourth-round pick Jake Haener

What pre-draft scouting reports said about Saints fourth-round pick Jake Haener, the Fresno State QB With a gutsy style of play:

saintswire.usatoday.com

 

[Rouxble]

Who wrote that scouting report? The report on his release and arm talent I think are a bit off. The ball zips out of his hands and more importantly he cuts it loose on time. You could see that easily yesterday. His arm and release didn't have anything to do with the interception, it was clear he and the WR were not on the same page.

The DB eyed Haener the whole way while Haener eyed the receiver the whole way, and the DB broke on the throw immediately to make the pick. If the ball gets there faster and/or if the QB doesn’t stare down the read, the ball probably doesn’t get picked. I don’t know why he would throw back shoulder against a DB who is playing over the top with cushion and good hip angle, although I’ll point out Haener makes a successful back shoulder throw later against man coverage that looked good.

 

[Rouxble]

This is from another random report on him:

Jake Haener Scouting Report​

Strengths​

• Above-average arm strength
• Above-average creation capacity and athleticism off-script
• Has the arm elasticity to adjust throwing angles and throw off-platform
• Remarkable competitive toughness and resolve
• Clutch playmaker in crucial moments
• Adept processor who can progress, manipulate, and trigger quickly
• Able to anticipate windows downfield and outside the numbers
• Accurate distributor with smooth pocket navigation

Fair enough, still looking for the time to read that article you posted.

 

[DavidM]

Fair enough, still looking for the time to read that article you posted.

All that said, you saw what you saw in the first game. We see it differently, but I appreciate your view and his future is far from certain or settled (either way).

 

[jasonsw]

I will say this. He is playing against 3rd and 4th stringers or people who will not make a Roster. Yes he is better than Book. Expectations and hopes should be tempered.

If he does excellent against starting caliber talent from opposing teams then I will think differently

 

[lilflcajun]

Haener look better than these comments. I can’t believe how up and down a fan base can be. First off he is a rookie 4th round pick and just last week comments in here about trading Winston and there is no way Haener clears waivers. Now he get shade for actually playing pretty damn good considering circumstances. The INT was simply miscommunication which is why when they called the same play on next drive it was executed like it should have been on pick. In my eyes he was always going to have to beat out Winston to avoid taking a chance on getting cut and put on practice squad. Nothing has changed he is still a rookie 4th round pick. Trying to play the hardest position in sports. Loved what I saw in him!

 

[Rouxble]

All that said, you saw what you saw in the first game. We see it differently, but I appreciate your view and his future is far from certain or settled (either way).

I got clowned a lot for that initial assessment, so I appreciate the good back and forth on this one. It’s why I’m on SR practically every day, to receive and share different viewpoints on this year’s Super Bowl champion.