Jake Haener (2 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

I think he's headed to the PS. I don't see him on the 53 as I don't think there is much danger of him getting signed to anyone's 53.

I'm sorry , you could not be more wrong. He would not sniff the PS before he was claimed to another teams 53

 

[DSnfla]

I am not getting my hopes up. I watched Bennet for the Rams and he seemed much more poised even with his early jitters as well and the ball jumped out of his hands a little better than Haener. I don’t see us keeping him on the 53. We just have too many needs and we have Jameis who isn’t good but at least has experience and we have Taysom. Can ee keep 4 TEs and 3 QBs?

Bennet was playing with some 1's and mostly 2's. He should have had 2 picks but the defenders dropped the ball. He also had like 7 possessions and no drops or bad routes by the WR's. Jake would not last 5 sec. on the PS before he got signed to a 53, he's not going to the PS

 

[bobad]

Jake would not last 5 sec. on the PS before he got signed to a 53, he's not going to the PS

I don't know why people think a team will put a 4th round pick on the PS!

If they like Haener enough to trade up into the 4th, they're not going to give up on him that easy!

 

[Thunderchild]

Teams can carry a 3rd QB that won't count towards the 53 this year. He won't be going to the PS.

I'm quoting this ^^^^ just to get it out there again. saintsfan1972 is spot on. Y'all worrying about whether he goes to the PS can settle down. It isn't an issue as the rule change mentioned above now exists.

He sticks as the 3rd QB on the main squad under that new rule.

My 10,000ft view is that he simply came out like a deer in headlights but got over that after the int. He played pretty good down the stretch.

Some of his problems early directly related to him being more advanced in the gamebook than his receivers. A lot of mistakes out there by a lot of people.

I can't yet know how good or bad he's going to be. Will probably not know this year as he isn't going to get a chance to see how he can play with the starters.

But I think he'll be fine. He did show, imo:

• A quick release
• Ability to go through progressions quickly (which helps the quick release - see Brees)
• No cannon, but an above average arm
• Just enough mobility to elude the rush and step up into the pocket (something most rookie pocket passers have trouble with at first)

 

[LAhotsauce]

I'd almost like to go back to the days where you could only discuss football with the people around you and if you wanted to call Buddy D.

Now, every single piece of minutiea from every play is dissected for players that have barely had any NFL snaps. If they don't look like Joe Montana or Reggie White day 1 then..."I'm not impressed."

Bressee and Foskey are bad, Miller is slow, Haener has a noodle arm, and AT Perry is a confirmed 6th round steal.

 

[Belfast Saint]

For a first day our, I thought he did well. Started slowly and not helped by his receivers. Then eventually he got into the flow and started making plays. Didn't think he looked out of place at all and wherever his arm strength falls on the scale, I didn't notice any issues getting the job done. Kid has moxie which I like.

I'm pleased the NOF folk were disappointed because it means that the game performance wasn't at the same level as they've seen in practice....hopefully that means there's more to come.

 

[Merl]

Isn't Strief working with Sean Payton? When did he comment about Haener?

Stinchcomb was the color guy in the booth. Not sure why others have been saying Strief.

 

[Merl]

I think he's headed to the PS. I don't see him on the 53 as I don't think there is much danger of him getting signed to anyone's 53.

He would never make it past waivers

 

[BarBar]

I thought he did relatively well for first NFL action.

 

[Rouxble]

I’m surprised that’s your take. The consensus is he doesn’t have exceptional arm strength, and that’s certainly true. Curry described it as good but not great. Might be some outlier opinions that describe his arm as weak, but that seems like a lazy conclusion that if it’s not notably strong, it must be weak. From what I’ve read, most seem to think it’s average / good enough. I didn’t have concerns watching him today.

Eventually we’ll get an opportunity to look at two similar throws between Haener and Carr to see the difference in the time between the QB’s hands breaking from the ball and the ball reaching the target. The closest one I could find from yesterday was around a 25 yard throw for both, with Haener getting there a quarter second late. That amount seems trivial, but people fawn over players that might have a 40 time that is less than a tenth of a second faster than another player at the same position.

Also, I remember a great interview with Roman Harper where he discussed that one false step playing defense in the NFL can be the difference between 4th down and a touchdown. The margin for error is so small. The same goes if the ball hangs in the air to allow extra step(s) for the defense to make a play.

 

[Saint Spud]

Eventually we’ll get an opportunity to look at two similar throws between Haener and Carr to see the difference in the time between the QB’s hands breaking from the ball and the ball reaching the target. The closest one I could find from yesterday was around a 25 yard throw for both, with Haener getting there a quarter second late. That amount seems trivial, but people fawn over players that might have a 40 time that is less than a tenth of a second faster than another player at the same position.

Also, I remember a great interview with Roman Harper where he discussed that one false step playing defense in the NFL can be the difference between 4th down and a touchdown. The margin for error is so small. The same goes if the ball hangs in the air to allow extra step(s) for the defense to make a play.

If we’re comparing him to Carr (and Jameis), then yeah his arm is gonna look subpar.

Those two guys have upper tier arm talent.

 

[Rouxble]

If we’re comparing him to Carr (and Jameis), then yeah his arm is gonna look subpar.

Those two guys have upper tier arm talent.

Exactly the point though, I’m comparing him to a 32yo QB who would be considered a mid tier starter in the league for most of his career. I wouldn’t compare him to top five guys in their prime because almost no one will meet that standard.

It’s very rare for a player to slip to day three with no deficiencies in their game. Haener does seem to process quickly as advertised, but I think his arm will limit him more than most fans want to admit.

 

[Saint Spud]

Exactly the point though, I’m comparing him to a 32yo QB who would be considered a mid tier starter in the league for most of his career. I wouldn’t compare him to top five guys in their prime because almost no one will meet that standard.

It’s very rare for a player to slip to day three with no deficiencies in their game. Haener does seem to process quickly as advertised, but I think his arm will limit him more than most fans want to admit.

Getting the ball there late isn’t just about arm talent, though.

And again, I don’t think the discussion is whether Haener it’s top level arm talent. It was referring to it as “weak,” which is quite an overstatement, imo.

 

[lilvipa221]

Haener is exactly what I thought he would be. Cerebral guy who can make some plays but he will never be a starting QB in the NFL. He will make a career as a backup QB who can come in spot duty to keep the offense moving if the starter go down. You could see alot of the struggles he will have to overcome due to his size. Accuracy will come and go from the pocket. Drew was a unicorn and should never be used to compare every small QB that comes into the NFL. If he was 6 foot 3 he would have been a first round pick and could absolutely be a starter.