Jaxson Dart: I've tried to model my game after Jalen Hurts. (50 Viewers)

[St. Widge]

This statement is both accurate and disturbing. We could blame Sean, but he did the exact opposite in his second year in Denver.

Sean was also in a vastly different situation in Denver than he was when he was in New Orleans. Here he had a HoF QB for all but one year. Who knows what he would have done in that situation here.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Sean was also in a vastly different situation in Denver than he was when he was in New Orleans. Here he had a HoF QB for all but one year. Who knows what he would have done in that situation here.

We have a good idea. We know he was planning on drafting Mahomes 11th overall towards the end of Brees career.

 

[los226]

This statement is both accurate and disturbing. We could blame Sean, but he did the exact opposite in his second year in Denver.

I don’t blame Sean at all. If anything, I believe Sean had no faith in the late round QB strategy, but was a team player by following the organizations wishes. The Saints haven’t drafted a QB in the first two rounds since Archie Manning and they had a hell of a lot of time between Manning and Brees to at least try once. It seems to be by design IMO.

 

[Rexman100]

I mostly agree with you but theres a few variables. Yes, Nuss will improve quite a lot, but let's not pretend LSU's offensive play calling was good last year. I may be exaggerating slightly, but you could debate the play calling was bad.

If the play calling turns out similar to last season, its possible Nuss doesn't end up being a top 5 pick. Then again, it may not matter. Look at Dart. His struggles last season weren't because of him, but mostly because of how bad the Ole Miss offensive play calling was. He started the offseason as a estimated 3rd round pick and has now climbed into top 10 pick as people have watched game film, watched him play, and recognize the play calling was doing him a disservice.

you make a solid point. At times we couldn't buy a 2 yard run on 3rd and 2. We didnt throw to the back out of the backfield or utilized the middle of the field. Ole Miss, i agree was similarly bad, they either throw deep or run Dart. So i agree, but i still think Nuss will overcome his play calling. He's a coaches son, seems to live and breathe football. He seems hard on himself and will take the heat as opposed to pointing fingers.. But yea, im betting, but i think its a safe bet. (for another conversation, id like to be convinced that Dart is a legit QB for the Saints)

 

[St. Widge]

It’s pretty clear that the organization believes in Rattler. He fits their strategy in drafting a QB as late round value and they’ll have to see him flame out after two or three years before they even think about drafting a QB again.

If they were fully convinced on Rattler they would cut Carr this year and let Rattler start. I think they like him, but they see him as a longer term project that still needs time.

 

[TribuneUK]

Any thoughts?

Just that it's the hackneyed old 'college athlete compares themselves to apex pro' that most prospects (or journos/analysts making lazy comparisons) come out with at some stage. Pretty irrelevant.

 

[los226]

If they were fully convinced on Rattler they would cut Carr this year and let Rattler start. I think they like him, but they see him as a longer term project that still needs time.

I didn’t say that they were ready to start him. I said they believe in Rattler which means they will try to develop him until they think of drafting another QB. If Rattler doesn’t show improvement in two or three years, then they will draft another QB. That’s just my opinion based on their history and recent comments.

 

[St. Widge]

I didn’t say that they were ready to start him. I said they believe in Rattler which means they will try to develop him until they think of drafting another QB. If Rattler doesn’t show improvement in two or three years, then they will draft another QB. That’s just my opinion based on their history and recent comments.

I don't know why you think they are so committed to him that they would not draft another QB. We already know that they really like Ward and have talked to the Titans about the cost for trading up to take Ward. That price was too high, but it's pretty clear they are not out of the QB market just because they think Rattler has some potential. They also like Sanders, but they think he has a late first or 2nd round grade.

As far as history, they drafted Haener 2 years after they drafted Book and they drafted Rattler the year after they drafted Haener. So they seem to be drafting QBs pretty regularly in the last 3 or 4 years. That's 3 QBs drafted in 4 years.

 

[dutar76]

if we didn't restructure Carr, then this would be a likely scenario and a seemingly genius plan. Carr starting assures that we finish with at least 4-5 wins. To get Nuss, its going to take a top 5 pick. He's going to have a monster season in 25. Hes got the most pro-ready arm, where he lacks is pocket mobility and awareness. Last year was his first year starting at LSU, so i expect him to improve his weakness and make a huge Burrow/JD like jump.

I'm pulling for Nuss to blow up next season, but does he have the supporting cast to make it happen? He's losing 4 of 5 offensive lineman to the draft as well as Lacy and Taylor. I used to have a better handle on who the up-and-comers are or could be from year to year, but the transfer portal messed that up for me. I don't even look at high school recruiting much anymore tbh. (by the time those kids develop they'll be at Oklahoma or TCU or somewhere.

Like I said, I'm pulling for Nuss and I hope I'm wrong, but even if he had the weapons Burrow had, I have a hard time believing he'd be a top 5 pick.

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

Trying to get drafted 9th?

Ah yes. If you have an interview with someone, do research on their favorite team and wear a nice dress shirt with the team colors and emblem on it.

 

[los226]

I don't know why you think they are so committed to him that they would not draft another QB. We already know that they really like Ward and have talked to the Titans about the cost for trading up to take Ward. That price was too high, but it's pretty clear they are not out of the QB market just because they think Rattler has some potential. They also like Sanders, but they think he has a late first or 2nd round grade.

As far as history, they drafted Haener 2 years after they drafted Book and they drafted Rattler the year after they drafted Haener. So they seem to be drafting QBs pretty regularly in the last 3 or 4 years. That's 3 QBs drafted in 4 years.

Rattler was considered really good value by many in the business. Not just by the Saints, but by many people outside the organization. Haener and Book were never considered value picks. Rattler isn’t like any other QB that the Saints drafted in the past 10yrs including Garrett Grayson, who I think they also believed in as well. They gave Grayson many years until they finally gave up on him and I believe they will take a similar route with Rattler.

 

[St. Widge]

Rattler was considered really good value by many in the business. Not just by the Saints, but by many people outside the organization. Haener and Book were never considered value picks. Rattler isn’t like any other QB that the Saints drafted in the past 10yrs including Garrett Grayson, who I think they also believed in as well. They gave Grayson many years until they finally gave up on him and I believe they will take a similar route with Rattler.

I really like Rattler and I think the team likes him too. But, IMO, he's not going to stop them from drafting a QB that they really like or that they think might be better than Rattler.

 

[dutar76]

I don't know why you think they are so committed to him that they would not draft another QB. We already know that they really like Ward and have talked to the Titans about the cost for trading up to take Ward. That price was too high, but it's pretty clear they are not out of the QB market just because they think Rattler has some potential. They also like Sanders, but they think he has a late first or 2nd round grade.

As far as history, they drafted Haener 2 years after they drafted Book and they drafted Rattler the year after they drafted Haener. So they seem to be drafting QBs pretty regularly in the last 3 or 4 years. That's 3 QBs drafted in 4 years.

I find it cool that you know that the Saints have approached the Titans about trading up for #1 and that they have a late-first early-second round grade on Sanders.

Keeping and paying Carr and having Rattler on the roster would not stop me from drafting a QB in any round this year or any year for that matter. Having an all-time all-world QB for a decade and a half kept us out of the serious QB market for a long long time. Having a Super-okay QB and a 2nd year developmental QB on the roster shouldn't have any bearing at all on us searching for a QB. QB is the one position in sports you don't stop looking until you've found one, he's proven himself, and you have him locked in long term. And as soon as you find your guy, you immediately begin searching for a back-up QB that can keep the offense going if your QB1 misses time.

Year before last, we thought Haener showed some promise. Last season Rattler outperformed Haener hands down. Draft a guy this year that beats Rattler out and you've improved by at least two levels... Or Rattler makes a leap and the new guy get's sent elsewhere or held on to as a back-up if you liked what you saw in him.

 

[los226]

I really like Rattler and I think the team likes him too. But, IMO, he's not going to stop them from drafting a QB that they really like or that they think might be better than Rattler.

I hope you’re right because I want the Saints to start trying to draft a QB in the first or second round. Archie Manning being the last QB they drafted in the first two rounds is quite ridiculous and there were many years between Archie and Brees to have tried at least once. Banking on a FA QB or late round QB is asking for a 10-20 year stretch without a franchise QB.

 

[dutar76]

I don’t blame Sean at all. If anything, I believe Sean had no faith in the late round QB strategy, but was a team player by following the organizations wishes. The Saints haven’t drafted a QB in the first two rounds since Archie Manning and they had a hell of a lot of time between Manning and Brees to at least try once. It seems to be by design IMO.

How many decision makers that were with the Saints between Manning and Brees are currently decision makers for the team? As far as QB search strategies, I'm not sure Loomis makes that call. I'd bet that it's on Moore, Nuss, and Ireland to figure that out and on Loomis to try and figure out how to make it happen whether it be trades, contracts, or writing a name on a draft card.