Jets hire Aaron Glenn as Head Coach per Josina Anderson (32 Viewers)

[OldTimeGamer1966]

I honestly just don’t understand his ascension, the more I think about it.

Usually the defensive coach hires have like TOP ranked defenses. I could be wrong and missed some but I don’t see how a guy whose defenses have ranked where Detroit’s has has gotten so much buzz.

I don't know where it came from either he is no Vig Fangio or Spags. Glenn usually has a good year then has an off year he seems to be inconsistent.

 

[StudioSaint]

Seems pretty pedantic to parse words in this context when everyone is careful not to overcommit on anything, or doesn't have a direct quote from Loomis, etc, but if it helps, here's Mike Triplett on Nick Underhill's site on November 4:

Anyway, if it will stop the gaslighting, I will amend my statement to say, "it should give the Saints pause that ONE OF their top choices wouldn't even come for an in-person interview after being on the staff here not too long ago."

I don't understand why you sound angry while you just basically repeated and agreed with what I said.

I wasn't being pedantic or gaslighting. I was just stating what I heard the reports say and you pretty much agree the reports, that "said" Glenn was the Saints clear cut number one choice, were not definitive or sourced from anyone within the Saints hiring process.

 

[St. Geezy]

On his website today:

“Felt like” is not “reporting he was the top choice.”

 

[StudioSaint]

On his website today:

Having Aaron Glenn take a job with the Jets without even getting a chance to talk to him is certainly a hit of some degree.

Who knows if the Saints would have hired him or not. He felt like the top choice for this job, the guy who brought that combination of upside and readiness that you aren’t going to find anywhere else. Either way, it looks and feels like a loss, and you don’t want to experience that in your coaching search, but none of it matters in the end if you find a solution and it leads to success.

So, once again, this situation is back at a crossroads.

That is not reporting, that is editorializing. Underhill himself tells us he's talking about how he feels about this or how it should feel to the Saints. Underhill also knows how he's subtly influencing you to hear him say what he's not actually saying. All editorialists and a lot of reporters do that. It's not unique to Underhill.

 

[DeuceMcAllisterFan]

On his website today:

I find it interesting he felt that way about the situation. It was almost a forgone conclusion that it was going to play out that way before the Jets interview even happened. The media was already hyping up the hire for over a week. Glenn making it a priority to interview with the Jets immediately after he was available should have been the final nail in the coffin.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

I don't understand why you sound angry while you just basically repeated and agreed with what I said.

I wasn't being pedantic or gaslighting. I was just stating what I heard the reports say and you pretty much agree the reports, that "said" Glenn was the Saints clear cut number one choice, were not definitive or sourced from anyone within the Saints hiring process.

“Felt like” is not “reporting he was the top choice.”

I give up LOL. If you need a signed affidavit from Loomis confirming that Aaron Glenn was their top choice, then, OK, that's your prerogative but seems like an unrealistic standard. No GM in the history of sports is ever going to offer an on the record statement that "hey this guy is our top choice" especially after he turns them down.

So all we can do is go off the opinions offered by both local and national writers that, while not using your preferred language, make it pretty clear that Glenn was their top choice and did so repeatedly over the course of 10 weeks. Or at least, ONE OF their top choices.

Which, at the end of the day, is what I was getting at - whether he was first choice or 2nd or 3rd, they obviously wanted to interview him and couldn't even get him in the building. If it helps to think that they really didn't want him anyway, OK, but, that seems pretty silly to me.

 

[St. Geezy]

I give up LOL. If you need a signed affidavit from Loomis confirming that Aaron Glenn was their top choice, then, OK, that's your prerogative but seems like an unrealistic standard. No GM in the history of sports is ever going to offer an on the record statement that "hey this guy is our top choice" especially after he turns them down.

So all we can do is go off the opinions offered by both local and national writers that, while not using your preferred language, make it pretty clear that Glenn was their top choice and did so repeatedly over the course of 10 weeks. Or at least, ONE OF their top choices.

Which, at the end of the day, is what I was getting at - whether he was first choice or 2nd or 3rd, they obviously wanted to interview him and couldn't even get him in the building. If it helps to think that they really didn't want him anyway, OK, but, that seems pretty silly to me.

You said it was reported “All over” as if there are reporters saying “Glenn was their top choice” and all you have provided is a single editorial quote of one reporter saying it “felt like” he was the top choice and that he didn’t know if they were going to hire him or not.

It’s okay to just say “I may have been mistaken and it wasn’t actually explicitly reported” rather than creating a charade and then talking down to people once your only proof of your claim isn’t actual proof.

I don’t even need it sourced to a GM. I am merely looking for something to backup the claim that “Glenn was the Saints first choice” was reported “all over.”

It seems like you can’t and that it’s made up.

 

[slaym]

Dodged a bullet.

 

[StudioSaint]

I give up LOL. If you need a signed affidavit from Loomis confirming that Aaron Glenn was their top choice...

That's a Statue of Liberty sized strawman you built right there. How many acres of hay grass did it take?

If it helps to think that they really didn't want him anyway, OK, but, that seems pretty silly to me.

That's not what I think. The Saints clearly were interested in him and I'm guessing they would have liked to interview him.

No one outside the Saints hiring committee, not even the "reporters," knows how much the Saints wanted each coach and how they had them ranked. Everything said about that has been nothing but outside speculation and rumor.

Didn't Glenn do a virtual interview with the Saints, since that's the only way he could at the time? Glenn scheduled his 2nd interview with the Jets first. Glenn decided he wanted the Jets job. Why would Glenn keep his interview with the Saints, after he decided to take the Jets' job?

Also, Glenn choosing the Jets over the Saints only shows that he liked the Jets job the best. It doesn't necessarily mean he had any animosity or low opinions of the Saints. It also doesn't mean that he didn't. We just don't know unless Glenn tells someone himself.

People interpret and draw conclusions based on their biases unless they make an effort not too.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

You said it was reported “All over” as if there are reporters saying “Glenn was their top choice” and all you have provided is a single editorial quote of one reporter saying it “felt like” he was the top choice and that he didn’t know if they were going to hire him or not.

It’s okay to just say “I may have been mistaken and it wasn’t actually explicitly reported” rather than creating a charade and then talking down to people once your only proof of your claim isn’t actual proof.

I don’t even need it sourced to a GM. I am merely looking for something to backup the claim that “Glenn was the Saints first choice” was reported “all over.”

It seems like you can’t and that it’s made up.

Actually offered two editorial quotes - one from Triplett at the beginning of the process and one from Underhill published today. I'm told those guys are the gold standard of Saints insiders but it is certainly possible they were both wrong in their assessment. I would go fish out all the tweets from Schefter, Pelissaro, Rappaport and whoever else linking Glenn to the Saints job over the last several weeks but, whatever - it's going in circles, and AG is a Jet. And the Saints couldn't even get him in the building - I think that sucks.

 

[St. Geezy]

Actually offered two editorial quotes - one from Triplett at the beginning of the process and one from Underhill published today. I'm told those guys are the gold standard of Saints insiders but it is certainly possible they were both wrong in their assessment. I would go fish out all the tweets from Schefter, Pelissaro, Rappaport and whoever else linking Glenn to the Saints job over the last several weeks but, whatever - it's going in circles, and AG is a Jet. And the Saints couldn't even get him in the building - I think that sucks.

There are no tweets from those guys saying Glenn is the Saints top choice.

Sorry to kill your narrative. You’re confusing reporting with editorializing.

A former player isn’t going to turn their back on the opportunity to be a HC of a team that drafted him and where they became a star if an offer is made. That just doesn’t happen.

 

[SweetT]

So there are only two more teams, excluding us that need a HC correct????

Raiders, Jags, and us if I’m not mistaken.
So there is MM, Brady, Rizzi, Kafka, Weaver, and possibly Kliff looking for a gig. Am I missing a name? Haven’t heard much regarding Flores in a minute, so i didn’t include him.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

So there are only two more teams, excluding us that need a HC correct????

Raiders, Jags, and us if I’m not mistaken.
So there is MM, Brady, Rizzi, Kafka, Weaver, and possibly Kliff looking for a gig. Am I missing a name? Haven’t heard much regarding Flores in a minute, so i didn’t include him.

Cowboys too

 

[Domeination]

It's not wrong to tweet that someone familiar with Glenn disagreed with that report if someone familiar with Glenn told Underhill that he disagreed with that report. He was probably being fed something from the Glenn camp to keep the Saints/Saints fans on the hook in case the Jets did not come through with his demands (GM, salary, etc.). But he's not wrong for tweeting that he heard a thing that he heard.

Not wrong per se, I agree. Underhill may want to vet his sources better, or get more confirmation, though, before repeating claims, rather than let himself be used to pass on information that is self-serving to a particular party and is more in the interest of said party than of Saints fans.

 

[JackDiesel]

i dont' get the obsession with "offensive head coach". Give me master motivator head coach with an obsession for detail. I don't care if he is offensive or defensive... in fact it doesn't matter what side of the ball he prefers to coach. That is the one quality the team needs over all else.

Motivators can only do so much if the team keeps losing. You think the players would put up with Rizzi yelling in their face, like his outburst on Heyball, after 3 losing seasons?