Loomis: Next Saints Head Coach will decide their own staff and direction at Quarterback (1 Viewer)

[Rouxble]

FTR Spotrac is more accurate on cap numbers. We are actually 64 million over as OTC is not taking into account the Turner option.

There are ways to cut Carr and move on, but that would mean we have to restructure everyone else possible including Taysom. I think the play this year should be to cut everyone else and keep Carr, restructure whatever you need to do with him to get cap compliant, then move on from him next year with less cap hit.

We didn’t pick up the 5th year option for Turner, so it won’t be on our books.

 

[soggymoss84]

We didn’t pick up the 5th year option for Turner, so it won’t be on our books.

Don’t remember seeing that. I knew we wouldn’t pay him that anyway though.

 

[Waymer]

the advantage is that Carr is off the books a year earlier and you don't pay him as much money.

I think this is an excellent point. I mentioned it indirectly in the Cousins/Falcons thread. I do think we as fans tend to overlook the cash flow component some (a lot).

I'm not saying that drives all decisions, or that ownership mettles too much, but cap space and cash flow are definitely two different considerations based on what perceived organizational value you are getting from a player.

 

[RadsRock]

The rumor is that there were some in the front office that were thinking that they should ask Carr to take a pay cut and he wanted to make sure they knew that was not an option.

He didn't need to communicate that publicly.

 

[Stalwart385]

You’re worried about pushing $40m in dead money to next year while incurring an extra $30m in cap hit from keeping Carr around (not to mention paying him $30m).

We end up with less space over the next few years if we keep Carr around because we have to account for that $30m somewhere.

Paying him that 30 mil allows you to absorb some of those expiring contracts' dead money this year and gives you plenty of flexibility. You also have a legit QB on your roster for your veteran guys last year. 30 mil is the minimum salary for a starting QB. You have money to resign guys and move on free agents. Otherwise, your new coach will be completely hamstrung and unable to start forming his team. You can freely cut Carr next year and have the money to bring in a guy to compete.

You also have plenty of flexibility to June 1st cut him in 2026 if you need even more money, which they probably won't need. I'm not a fan of spending that big in free agency. It's how you acquire really bad contracts.

Trying to save that 30 mil will have lasting effects. You'll feel it this year and next (maybe longer with the player reputation you'll get), all while a new coach is trying (but unable) to bring in players for his scheme. It's not worth risking your organization and head coach.

They'll pay him 30 mil and restructure him. His play is worth that much and you'll have all the flexibility you need the next two years to build up your team.

Unless they find some big pay cuts or a generous trade partner it's not an option an organization would consider in the real world.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

If we're actually trying to be somewhat competitive next year, we're keeping Carr. None of the QB's in this draft will outplay him year 1, and we can't afford to sign anyone better. Even if you have a true offseason competition between Rattler and Carr, and Rattler wins the battle, you need a serviceable backup as we all know. It's easy as fans to say "who cares, let's get a top draft pick in 2026", but the reality is that there are players, coaches, and executives that are all trying to win and retain their jobs. Carr isn't a franchise QB, but he's good enough to keep the ship somewhat steady during a transitional year for a new coach. He's played pretty well more often than not when he's had decent protection and weapons available to throw to, especially with Kubiak calling plays. The truth is, given what starting QB's are getting paid these days, Carr has played well enough to justify the value of his contract. He shouldn't be willing to accept a pay cut.

Carr will be on this team going into next season. Book it.

 

[St. Widge]

He didn't need to communicate that publicly.

I don't disagree, I'm just saying what I heard about what lead to him doing it publicly. It was a bad decision that will only annoy the fans. Not sure what upside he saw in it, but I can't believe he ran it by his agent first.

 

[Merl]

If we give him the option of waiving his no trade clause or being benched, we could trade him for little to no compensation and be better off without eating his dead money.

If you trade a player before June 1 you eat all the dead money that year.

 

[St. Widge]

Unless they find some big pay cuts or a generous trade partner it's not an option an organization would consider in the real world.

It's clearly an option they are considering since Loomis said the next HC would have a large amount of input on who the QB would be. If they hadn't considered cutting Carr as a possibility, he would not have said that.

 

[Elvis]

If we give him the option of waiving his no trade clause or being benched, we could trade him for little to no compensation and be better off without eating his dead money.

I don't think that's true. We'd eat all of his signing bonuses and still have $40 million in dead cap hit. Better for us by $10 mil, but not clearing enough either.

 

[St. Widge]

If we're actually trying to be somewhat competitive next year, we're keeping Carr. None of the QB's in this draft will outplay him year 1, and we can't afford to sign anyone better. Even if you have a true offseason competition between Rattler and Carr, and Rattler wins the battle, you need a serviceable backup as we all know. It's easy as fans to say "who cares, let's get a top draft pick in 2026", but the reality is that there are players, coaches, and executives that are all trying to win and retain their jobs. Carr isn't a franchise QB, but he's good enough to keep the ship somewhat steady during a transitional year for a new coach. He's played pretty well more often than not when he's had decent protection and weapons available to throw to, especially with Kubiak calling plays. The truth is, given what starting QB's are getting paid these days, Carr has played well enough to justify the value of his contract. He shouldn't be willing to accept a pay cut.

Carr will be on this this team going into next season. Book it.

I suspect Carr will be here next year. But I also think all options are on the table based on what the next HC wants to do. Maybe the next HC wants to roll with Rattler and see what he has before having to decide whether or not to draft a QB in 2026. Or maybe the next HC is convinced that Rattler doesn't have it or he wants Rattler and Carr to compete.

And I think if the decision was made Loomis wouldn't have even entertained the idea that the next coach would get to decide on the QB. He would have simply said that Carr is out starting QB and I think any coach would be happy to have him.

 

[HoustonGold]

This reeks of Mike Mcarthy . A veteran coach who was restricted to build his own team in Dallas.

 

[Merl]

Based on what I see at Over The Cap, we're currently over the cap by $52.3M. Post June 1 cut for Carr saves $30M this year. We would have to restructure Cam, Demario, Ruiz, McCoy, and Granderson. In '26, we currently have $60M in positive cap space, which would be eaten up by the Carr cut and restructures, but we'd be in the best shape we've been in, in years. At least that's what it looks like to my untrained cap experience... could be looking at it wrong.

The problem with a June 1 cut is you have to carry the entire salary until June 1. Then you get the credit.

 

[Stalwart385]

It's clearly an option they are considering since Loomis said the next HC would have a large amount of input on who the QB would be. If they hadn't considered cutting Carr as a possibility, he would not have said that.

A coach is not going to risk throwing away a year of team development because he doesn't want to pay Carr 30 mil. When Carr gets restructured, just remember there really wasn't any other option. Even as adamant as Tripplet is about cutting Carr he'll even admit that keeping Carr is probably whats going to happen. I'm just trying to let you know that it will happen, so be prepared.

 

[Stalwart385]

I think you are letting the fact that you like Carr get in the way of whether it is possible or advisable or not. I'm not sure it is advisable, but it is possible and the advantage is that Carr is off the books a year earlier and you don't pay him as much money.

I don't like Carr, he's ok, the best we got, worth 30 mil. I just think cutting him in 2026 is the only realistic move. Doesn't need to be about who someone does or doesn't like. It's about what will or won't happen.