Lord of the Rings Series -- Amazon (3 Viewers)

[sammymvpknight]

Literally dozens

You guys are more dedicated than me. I tried…my ADHD and mild dyslexia just wouldn’t allow it

 

[DCSaints_Fan]

You made it through Silmarillion?!
I think you may be the only person I know of that has.

No, mostly just ready summaries and the Cliff Notes

 

[Taurus]

Random question for various folks about not just RoP, but any literary adaptation.

How far off the reservation does the film have to get before it's no longer an adaptation but fanfiction or a 'based on' or an entirely new story that happens to use similar themes/locations/names?

On one end, you'd have Lawnmower Man. A spastic pile of CGI gibberish so far removed from the source that Stephen King successfully sued to have his name removed from it.

On the other end would be a scene-by-scene filming of Hamlet, performed on stage by an all-male cast.

 

[Yatman]

don't forget another vector along your axis, a la fargo

THIS IS A TRUE STORY.

The events depicted in this film took place in Minnesota in 1987.

At the request of the survivors, the names have been changed.

Out of respect for the dead, the rest has been told exactly as it occurred.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

On the other end would be a scene-by-scene filming of Hamlet, performed on stage by an all-male cast.

with no sets and few props, lit by torches in a dialect we would not understand

 

[EGLSShin]

Cannon doesn't start bothering me until they begin contradicting things that already happened/was established at some point in the timeline. The MCU absolutely didn't follow cannon because in the Infinity war comic, Nebula took the gauntlet and undid the snap and Adam Warlock was the hero because he short circuited the gauntlet from within the soul stone. Thanos absolutely brutally murdered a lot of the avengers in the comic as well.

Game of Thrones also heavily deviated from the books. Lady Stoneheart(undead Caitlyn Stark) was the one exacting revenge on the Frey's in the book. In the show, Arya Stark dealt with them.

 

[Saint_Ward]

You made it through Silmarillion?!
I think you may be the only person I know of that has.

I've read it three times. I won't claim to remember it all, there's a lot going on.

 

[DCSaints_Fan]

Random question for various folks about not just RoP, but any literary adaptation.

How far off the reservation does the film have to get before it's no longer an adaptation but fanfiction or a 'based on' or an entirely new story that happens to use similar themes/locations/names?

On one end, you'd have Lawnmower Man. A spastic pile of CGI gibberish so far removed from the source that Stephen King successfully sued to have his name removed from it.

On the other end would be a scene-by-scene filming of Hamlet, performed on stage by an all-male cast.

The one thing that might really bother me at RoP is if Gandalf is meteor man (or if they try to shoehorn him some other way). As I mentioned before, Gandalf did not a arrive until well into the TA. If they try to shoehorn him in, it means he will be at least aware of the major events at the end of the SA and he won't have to do research to determine that Bilbo possessed the One Ring. As it stands, Gandalf's lack of suspicion here is already somewhat dicey even in canon - surely he would have time to do a little light reading given he was on ME for thousands of years before Sauron's final defeat. He knew about Gollum and that the ring had extended his life far beyond what was normal (and suspected the same of Bilbo)

 

[Taurus]

The one thing that might really bother me at RoP is if Gandalf is meteor man (or if they try to shoehorn him some other way). As I mentioned before, Gandalf did not a arrive until well into the TA. If they try to shoehorn him in, it means he will be at least aware of the major events at the end of the SA and he won't have to do research to determine that Bilbo possessed the One Ring. As it stands, Gandalf's lack of suspicion here is already somewhat dicey even in canon - surely he would have time to do a little light reading given he was on ME for thousands of years before Sauron's final defeat. He knew about Gollum and that the ring had extended his life far beyond what was normal (and suspected the same of Bilbo)

For me, they crossed into "direct contradiction of canon" land when they had Celebrimbor and Elendil alive at the same time. There's another contradiction coming if they insist on the Palantir being lost. They aren't. Elendil knows exactly where the seven for Numenor are and he brings them with him to Middle Earth.

"Seven stars and seven stones and one white tree."

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

For me, they crossed into "direct contradiction of canon" land when they had Celebrimbor and Elendil alive at the same time. There's another contradiction coming if they insist on the Palantir being lost. They aren't. Elendil knows exactly where the seven for Numenor are and he brings them with him to Middle Earth.

"Seven stars and seven stones and one white tree."

and those are potentially valid criticism to level AT THE END of a story
In Better Call Saul 'some fans' spent every episode of every season with "THIS is when Jimmy becomes Saul" or "why hasn't Jimmy become Saul yet?"
and then of course there was the 'how are there any stakes since we know X, Y and Z live?!?"
and then BCS finished as one of the best shows of all time

by and large, fans (and i include myself on this criticism) do a much better job when they engage in a story vs trying to be culture/lit critics when it suits them

 

[Sailorsaint]

What is the Elven lifespan?

 

[Lustmord]

The one thing that might really bother me at RoP is if Gandalf is meteor man (or if they try to shoehorn him some other way). As I mentioned before, Gandalf did not a arrive until well into the TA. If they try to shoehorn him in, it means he will be at least aware of the major events at the end of the SA and he won't have to do research to determine that Bilbo possessed the One Ring. As it stands, Gandalf's lack of suspicion here is already somewhat dicey even in canon - surely he would have time to do a little light reading given he was on ME for thousands of years before Sauron's final defeat. He knew about Gollum and that the ring had extended his life far beyond what was normal (and suspected the same of Bilbo)

yeah in the canon of films and the books ( which I'm reading again) he does kind faff about when it comes to the ring bilbo has- I mean he knows what is did to gollum, and bilbo has it for 80 years and does not age and yet Gandalf just kinda leaves it with him and never really has any urgency he even kinda jokes with bilbo about using it at his party to disappear.

 

[Sailorsaint]

yeah in the canon of films and the books ( which I'm reading again) he does kind faff about when it comes to the ring bilbo has- I mean he knows what is did to gollum, and bilbo has it for 80 years and does not age and yet Gandalf just kinda leaves it with him and never really has any urgency he even kinda jokes with bilbo about using it at his party to disappear.

My thinking was that Gandalf figured the ring was safest with Bilbo. Who would have thought a hobbit would have THE ring of power.

 

[Taurus]

What is the Elven lifespan?

Until the remaking of the world.

Galadriel spent 1000 years in the light of the Two Trees before going to Middle Earth, being active during that entire epoch, then went back to Valinor. She's upwards of 8,000 years old by The Return of the King

Which makes the idea that our heroine is a 'young, impetuous' Galadriel laughable. She's at minimum 2,000 years old when she fights that ice troll.

 

[Buickman]

What is the Elven lifespan?

From what I remember of LoTR movies, Arwen gave up her immortality to be with Aragorn. So, no lifespan if that's the case.