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DaveXA said:
Then why even post here? What exactly is trash? Do you hate superhero movies, or just certain ones?
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Well first off I posted because I wanted to.

I don't really hate any particular genre of movie. I liked a lot of them but lately they've become so formulaic and CGI dependent that the writing seems like an after thought. Infinity wars was a great movie, even better than End Game which was brilliant.

Since then, in my opinion, the quality of the writing has gradually gotten so bad it's unwatchable. But, again that's my opinion and I know a lot of people disagree but I don't think there's anything wrong with voicing an alternate opinion.
 
boutte said:
Well first off I posted because I wanted to.

I don't really hate any particular genre of movie. I liked a lot of them but lately they've become so formulaic and CGI dependent that the writing seems like an after thought. Infinity wars was a great movie, even better than End Game which was brilliant.

Since then, in my opinion, the quality of the writing has gradually gotten so bad it's unwatchable. But, again that's my opinion and I know a lot of people disagree but I don't think there's anything wrong with voicing an alternate opinion.
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I don't have an issue with a differing opinion, but when you come in with a general "trash is trash" and "you couldn't pay me to watch those movies" comment without any context, makes it sound like you were bashing the entire concept.

And while I'm a big MCU fan, I can admit things have fallen off compared to the previous phase. I still enjoy the movies and shows they've come out with. They do suffer from being compared to one of the greatest runs in cinematic history up to Endgame. Keeping that sustained is hard.

They killed off too many cornerstone characters in IW and EG and that hurt. People now need to get used to a new cast as well as a new approach to the MCU. I'd argue they've come out with too much content which makes it hard for casual fans to really stay connected with.

They've had their share of hits and misses, but I'm still a fan. And I enjoyed The Marvels. It wasn't a great movie, but it was a fun watch imo.
 
DaveXA said:
I don't have an issue with a differing opinion, but when you come in with a general "trash is trash" and "you couldn't pay me to watch those movies" comment without any context, makes it sound like you were bashing the entire concept.

And while I'm a big MCU fan, I can admit things have fallen off compared to the previous phase. I still enjoy the movies and shows they've come out with. They do suffer from being compared to one of the greatest runs in cinematic history up to Endgame. Keeping that sustained is hard.

They killed off too many cornerstone characters in IW and EG and that hurt. People now need to get used to a new cast as well as a new approach to the MCU. I'd argue they've come out with too much content which makes it hard for casual fans to really stay connected with.

They've had their share of hits and misses, but I'm still a fan. And I enjoyed The Marvels. It wasn't a great movie, but it was a fun watch imo.
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Yeah it’s what I strive to help my students differentiate- whether their reactions are based on taste or actual structural issues

But further pre/post endgame there’s tons of revisionist history going on
I think of it like the Saints in 09
The SB win helps us overlook the luck needed for the Miami and DC games
The Dallas loss, the fortune that we didn’t face Dallas in the playoffs, Minny’s multiple turnovers, et al
It was far from perfect just like preEndgame was far from perfect
Post Endgame is similar to ‘16 into ‘17
Clearly in transition but a lot better than people‘ ‘remember’
 
Optimus Prime said:
well if true the internet will love this
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Marvel's Fantatstic Four is reportedly casting a woman for the role of the Silver Surfer.

In the comics, the Surfer is a humanoid alien with metallic skin who can travel through space with the aid of his surfboard-like craft. When his travels took him to Earth, he met the Fantastic Four, who helped him rediscover his nobility of spirit.

In the 2007 film Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, staring Jessica Alba, Ioan Gruffudd and Chris Evans, the Silver Surfer is portrayed by Doug Jones and voiced by Laurence Fishburne. The movies were then remade in 2015 starring Miles Teller and Michael B. Jordan.

Now, casting is said to be underway for yet another reboot and as fans eagerly wait for the casting updates, reports have claimed that Marvel Studios will have made the character into a woman for this new iteration. Industry insider Jeff Sneider recently appeared on an episode of The Hot Mic with Jeff Sneider and John Rocha and spoke about the Fantastic Four cast, saying: "Yes, you can expect to see a female Silver Surfer.”...........

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Why not just do Norrin Radd now, and Nova later? Will they swap Nova as well? If so, what's the point of swapping in the first place? If not, why not?

Let's say you own a steakhouse. You have a loyal customer base (comic fans) who have been coming to you for years, expecting the same quality and product, and you have always delivered that expected product to them. Everyone is happy. The restaurant makes money, the customers eat their fill of something they enjoy. Then one day you decide, "I will now serve everyone a pork chop, even though they all want and expect the steak we have always delivered to them, just because". Why would the restaurant expect their life-long customers to be happy with that? That's what this feels like... casting the Silver Surfer as a woman "just because".

Who is asking for SS to be a woman? Where is the outcry for him to be cast as such?

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My guess is someone said she was being cast as a Silver Surfer like character (Nova) and after a game of telephone it has been reported as her playing Silver Surfer. We don't need to see the Surfer break away from Galactus again, so they will probably introduce him after he is no longer the herald and Nova is. I'll bet both SS and Nova are in the movie.

It just doesn't make any sense to gender swap him especially when she can just play Nova.
 
Could be Galactus' daughter. That already exists in the comics.

I wish that they'd just leave her as Magik. She was perfectly cast for that
 
hockey2112 said:
Why not just do Norrin Radd now, and Nova later? Will they swap Nova as well? If so, what's the point of swapping in the first place? If not, why not?

Let's say you own a steakhouse. You have a loyal customer base (comic fans) who have been coming to you for years, expecting the same quality and product, and you have always delivered that expected product to them. Everyone is happy. The restaurant makes money, the customers eat their fill of something they enjoy. Then one day you decide, "I will now serve everyone a pork chop, even though they all want and expect the steak we have always delivered to them, just because". Why would the restaurant expect their life-long customers to be happy with that? That's what this feels like... casting the Silver Surfer as a woman "just because".

Who is asking for SS to be a woman? Where is the outcry for him to be cast as such?

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Modern audiences? That's what they tell us. Guess I'm not modern.
 
DaveXA said:
I don't even think modern audiences are asking for that. If anything, it's the opposite. Audiences are saying they don't like what's been coming out lately.
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But the movie makers don't believe them.
 
hockey2112 said:
Why not just do Norrin Radd now, and Nova later? Will they swap Nova as well? If so, what's the point of swapping in the first place? If not, why not?

Let's say you own a steakhouse. You have a loyal customer base (comic fans) who have been coming to you for years, expecting the same quality and product, and you have always delivered that expected product to them. Everyone is happy. The restaurant makes money, the customers eat their fill of something they enjoy. Then one day you decide, "I will now serve everyone a pork chop, even though they all want and expect the steak we have always delivered to them, just because". Why would the restaurant expect their life-long customers to be happy with that? That's what this feels like... casting the Silver Surfer as a woman "just because".

Who is asking for SS to be a woman? Where is the outcry for him to be cast as such?
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Not a great analogy
To torture it a bit, the restaurant would have to notice that the customer base for their franchise is dying out and the next generation wants something different
Problem is that the transition is slow and filled with pitfalls
Status quo makes sense, but it’s got the shortest timeframe and the greatest chance to wither and die
The ‘compromise’ option is to try to find alternative meat sources but keep most of your recipes- that will ease the transition a bit, but doesn’t have much room to grow
Then there’s ’let’s keep the nostalgia’ but really update the menu - this one is the riskiest but with best chance to grow

But fossil fuels into alternatives might be the better analogy

BUT to answer your rhetorical question- it’s not a matter of who wants it, it’s an acknowledgment that when most of these heroes were developed it was mostly all white, str8 men creating characters from their demographic appealing to a fanbase they assumed was just like them
If the studio wants to use known characters- which makes the most sense- there’s really no reason the fantasy story/characters need to stay rooted in 1960s origins
Making Jane Foster into Thor for a movie doesn’t disenfranchise str8 Nordic men in any way
Making silver surfer a woman doesn’t disenfranchise naked silver men in any way
 
hockey2112 said:
Why not just do Norrin Radd now, and Nova later? Will they swap Nova as well? If so, what's the point of swapping in the first place? If not, why not?

Let's say you own a steakhouse. You have a loyal customer base (comic fans) who have been coming to you for years, expecting the same quality and product, and you have always delivered that expected product to them. Everyone is happy. The restaurant makes money, the customers eat their fill of something they enjoy. Then one day you decide, "I will now serve everyone a pork chop, even though they all want and expect the steak we have always delivered to them, just because". Why would the restaurant expect their life-long customers to be happy with that? That's what this feels like... casting the Silver Surfer as a woman "just because".

Who is asking for SS to be a woman? Where is the outcry for him to be cast as such?
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Except that a movie is not a restaurant that only serves a small regional clientele. It is a product that will be "served" nationally and worldwide to a number of different types of audiences, in movie theaters and via streaming services, and the overwhelming majority of possible viewers is not going to be comic book nerds... and I dare say, a naked silver woman is going to appeal to more audiences worldwide than a naked silver dude.
 

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