Mickey Loomis’ End Of Year Press Conference (1 Viewer)

[DaveXA]

I'll just say Loomis has to expect pushback from fans when he brings HOF coaches into a discussion about Allen. Even if he's not really comparing them, he sort of is.

How I feel is this, he should have fired Allen. But since he's apparently not going to, it's now Loomis' job that's on the line. If Allen flops next season, I'll be calling for Loomis' job, not just Allen.

 

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[liveoakh]

Once again you don't get it. ML was NOT comparing DA to them SMH

Yes he was!!!! If not why bring them up at all. They are non applicable any other way.

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

I welcome views different from mine. First, if we all agreed, this would be a boring forum. Second, the only way to test our views is to expose them to challenge by others. Third, I am wrong often about football and other matters.

As a matter of historical accuracy, I need to point out that Don Meredith is not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame and has never been a serious candidate for being voted in. And he never won postseason honors until 1966.

Though I try not to use the word "bust," I am one who too quickly for some will label a high draft pick a failed selection. I consider Payton Turner, Trevor Penning and Isaiah Foskey failed picks. Regarding Turner, he was a first-round pick, though picked late in the round; he was picked on potential and metrics; and he has failed to play and contribute at a position of need. He was picked too early--need and test numbers drove his selection.

Regarding Penning, it is simply unacceptable that the 19th player picked in the draft at a position of need sits on the bench in his second season when third-level offensive linemen play. High draft picks need to at least contribute by their second year. That Penning cannot even see the field after so many injuries in the offensive line strongly suggests that he is not a good player.

Regarding Foskey, I understand the merits of the argument that we need to give him a second season before making a judgment. Those making it are probably right. But my sense--yes, this is speculation--is that the coaching staff regrets our having picked him fairly high in the second round. In the training camp, the stories on Foskey were uniformly critical--normally, there is some emphasis on the player's potential even if he struggles at first; in the preseason games, he was a major disappointment; and in the regular season, we saw little, if any, production. I am perhaps inferring too much into training-cap reports, but after decades of following pro football, I get a sense after hearing what is said about a player whether the player truly has potential or was drafted too high. We will see what Foskey does in 2024, and I truly hope that he turns into a productive defensive end.

A team that fails to hit on its top 40 picks--especially one that trades away so many draft picks to move up in the draft to pick targeted players--has major problems.

 

[St. Geezy]

I disagree with people when they just grab the low hanging fruit and don't look for a real answer. Or when they just hear a rumor or read someone else's post and just regurgitate some unconfirmed bit of info. Or when they call a player a bust in his redshirt rookie season without knowing the full story. To say that anyone knows a 1st or 2nd yr player is a bust is just ridiculous because no one knows that at that time. Also to say that a player unequivocally will never progress more than they are now is also ridiculous because you nor I DON"T know. Everyone thought they knew just who Geno Smith was and what he was going to be. Could be they were wrong. I'll bet NO ONE thought Purdy would be an MVP candidate when he was drafted in the 7th rd, but they were wrong.

A lot of posters on here are just angry, I can understand that. But they spout off things that are just incorrect.
Almost everyone on here was bashing Carr for a lot of the yr, heck I thought he was playing badly as well. But all this " he's just garbage" or " All he'll ever do is suck" was just off. In the last 6 games DC had the highest QB rating in the whole league and guess what a bunch of those same people that were saying he sucked started to come around

I by no means know everything, far from it but I do look below the surface to understand why some things happen and I do my research. I don't just follow the masses and blindly agree with what is said.
Also being a public forum whatever you post is up for rebuttal but there are some that just don't like someone disagreeing with them they just want you to say " Ohh of course you're right" I welcome discord. If I'm wrong show me the facts and I'll be the 1st to admit it .And when I think that someone is wrong I use what I think is logic and facts to do the same
Funny enough I have agreed with a bunch of YOUR posts and have liked quite few of them. So go figure

Fair response.

I guess it just hits differently depending on tone. Rather than responding with facts or rebuttals, the general tone you respond with is typically "I'm smart, you're not and you all have no clue," with not a lot of substance.

@Rouxble for instance...he and I disagree often, but he actually brings legitimate facts to the table and virtually never speaks down to anyone here as if he is a know-it-all, even when he is in position to.

It's like he's more interesting in teaching rather than proving he is superior in knowledge and looking down upon and chastising others.

 

[DaveXA]

Fair response.

I guess it just hits differently depending on tone. Rather than responding with facts or rebuttals, the general tone you respond with is typically "I'm smart, you're not and you all have no clue," with not a lot of substance.

@Rouxble for instance...he and I disagree often, but he actually brings legitimate facts to the table and virtually never speaks down to anyone here as if he is a know-it-all, even when he is in position to.

It's like he's more interesting in teaching rather than proving he is superior in knowledge and looking down upon and chastising others.

Yeah, delivery matters. I'm not always great at it, but some are pretty good at just laying out their case without getting defensive or aggressive. We're all fans, well, most of us and we want the Saints to win, and they're are a lot of different ways to get there. Everyone is gonna have a little different approach.

 

[sfidc3]

SMH they were handed them just as Reid was handed Mahomes and Taylor was handed Burrow. Just because they drafted them does not mean they didn't have them. PLUS BB already had Bledsoe a very good QB when he got there I'm sure he didn't say " Let's draft this Brady guy in the 6th rd cause he's gonna win me 7 super bowls LOL.

You are demonstrably wrong here (and as someone pointed out Meredith is not in the HOF either)......you have little credibility with me as a serious poster when you post garbage like above.....

Nobody is "gifted" or handed HOF QB's....you either draft them or acquire them....stop with this nonsense....

 

[DSnfla]

Yes he was!!!! If not why bring them up at all. They are non applicable any other way.

Because what he was saying is what if any of those coaches were fired after their 2nd yr. would they have gone on to be great coaches ??? Theonly coach out of all of them that had success in his 2nd yr was Belichick, and he had both Brady AND Bledsoe. So many of you all you heard was Landry, Noll, Walsh and Belicheck and totally missed what he meant. Even Ross Jackson made mention of this

 

[DSnfla]

Fair response.

I guess it just hits differently depending on tone. Rather than responding with facts or rebuttals, the general tone you respond with is typically "I'm smart, you're not and you all have no clue," with not a lot of substance.

@Rouxble for instance...he and I disagree often, but he actually brings legitimate facts to the table and virtually never speaks down to anyone here as if he is a know-it-all, even when he is in position to.

It's like he's more interesting in teaching rather than proving he is superior in knowledge and looking down upon and chastising others.

I respond that way because a lot of the original posts are made as facts not opinions. They say " he's a bust " or "he'll never be anything more than this " or just plain out wrong facts that they are saying are truths. And almost EVERY post I make in response to one of those is filled with facts and rebuttals. Like the one guy that wants an OC as HC that has never called a play before. I point out these things . Go back and see for yourself.
Some people just don't want to be disagreed with or called out
Rouxable is one of my favorite posters, I agree with him a lot , I also have had some pretty good disagreements with him
Another is Jahsoul, I have gone round for round with him more than any other poster, but I have mucho respect for him and his knowledge. You should see the digs and banter that goes on between us

 

[DSnfla]

You are demonstrably wrong here (and as someone pointed out Meredith is not in the HOF either)......you have little credibility with me as a serious poster when you post garbage like above.....

Nobody is "gifted" or handed HOF QB's....you either draft them or acquire them....stop with this nonsense....

Really?? So Cincy had the 1st pink in the draft on the very same yr Burrow comes out , if that's not a gift , or maybe luck? Gifted/ Luck How about Noll ? Hw took over the Steelers in 69 and had the 1st overall pick in 70, Guess who he took? YUP Bradshaw. Gifted/ Luck ??
Let's take out Brady, Belichick inherited a SB winning 4x pro-bowl QB in Drew Bledsoe
Meredith is in the college football hall of fame 1982 , he was a 3x pro-bowl and all-pro QB . Hardly like Landry inherited Winston and Dalton.
The thing you and a lot have missed in all of this is I'm not defending DA, I'm not a DA fan. I;ll bet if you ask ML if DA is going to be in the HOF as a coach he'd say probably not .
You're all missing ML's point. If any of those coaches would have been fired after their 2nd yr on the job would they have had a chance to be as good as they were?
Even Ross Jackson made mention to the fact that's what ML meant with the reference to those coaches

 

[Merleaux]

I couldn’t watch the video. My pet peeve is people who smack, slurp, and chew like him. I couldn’t tolerate it. I’ll just read y’all‘s comments.

 

[DaveXA]

Really?? So Cincy had the 1st pink in the draft on the very same yr Burrow comes out , if that's not a gift , or maybe luck? Gifted/ Luck How about Noll ? Hw took over the Steelers in 69 and had the 1st overall pick in 70, Guess who he took? YUP Bradshaw. Gifted/ Luck ??
Let's take out Brady, Belichick inherited a SB winning 4x pro-bowl QB in Drew Bledsoe
Meredith is in the college football hall of fame 1982 , he was a 3x pro-bowl and all-pro QB . Hardly like Landry inherited Winston and Dalton.
The thing you and a lot have missed in all of this is I'm not defending DA, I'm not a DA fan. I;ll bet if you ask ML if DA is going to be in the HOF as a coach he'd say probably not .
You're all missing ML's point. If any of those coaches would have been fired after their 2nd yr on the job would they have had a chance to be as good as they were?
Even Ross Jackson made mention to the fact that's what ML meant with the reference to those coaches

The only one remotely close to what's happened was Belichick. He fizzled in Cleveland before going to NE and doing what he did. Allen has had a total of 5 years HC experience. It's not his first rodeo. What we see is what we're gonna get with Allen. Coaches rarely change substantially from year to year, and usually when they do, it doesn't go well. I think Loomis is just trying to get us to drink the Kool aid. I'm not buying what he's selling at this point.

Allen, and Loomis, may well prove me and many of us wrong, but we've been watching football long enough to know the odds are slim of that happening.

 

[DSnfla]

The only one remotely close to what's happened was Belichick. He fizzled in Cleveland before going to NE and doing what he did. Allen has had a total of 5 years HC experience. It's not his first rodeo. What we see is what we're gonna get with Allen. Coaches rarely change substantially from year to year, and usually when they do, it doesn't go well. I think Loomis is just trying to get us to drink the Kool aid. I'm not buying what he's selling at this point.

Allen, and Loomis, may well prove me and many of us wrong, but we've been watching football long enough to know the odds are slim of that happen

Walsh was a successful HC@ Stanford. I'm not a DA fan but everyone just dismisses Belichick's awful 4yr tenure in Cleveland but were constantly reminded of DA's 3yr run in Oak. Maybe because BB had a meddling owner and an awful cheap front office. Wait that sounds eerily familiar with a city on the bay

 

[EGLSShin]

The only one remotely close to what's happened was Belichick. He fizzled in Cleveland before going to NE and doing what he did. Allen has had a total of 5 years HC experience. It's not his first rodeo. What we see is what we're gonna get with Allen. Coaches rarely change substantially from year to year, and usually when they do, it doesn't go well. I think Loomis is just trying to get us to drink the Kool aid. I'm not buying what he's selling at this point.

Allen, and Loomis, may well prove me and many of us wrong, but we've been watching football long enough to know the odds are slim of that happening.

Sheriff Lopinto should stop w/e it is he's selling.

 

[sfidc3]

Really?? So Cincy had the 1st pink in the draft on the very same yr Burrow comes out , if that's not a gift , or maybe luck? Gifted/ Luck How about Noll ? Hw took over the Steelers in 69 and had the 1st overall pick in 70, Guess who he took? YUP Bradshaw. Gifted/ Luck ??
Let's take out Brady, Belichick inherited a SB winning 4x pro-bowl QB in Drew Bledsoe
Meredith is in the college football hall of fame 1982 , he was a 3x pro-bowl and all-pro QB . Hardly like Landry inherited Winston and Dalton.
The thing you and a lot have missed in all of this is I'm not defending DA, I'm not a DA fan. I;ll bet if you ask ML if DA is going to be in the HOF as a coach he'd say probably not .
You're all missing ML's point. If any of those coaches would have been fired after their 2nd yr on the job would they have had a chance to be as good as they were?
Even Ross Jackson made mention to the fact that's what ML meant with the reference to those coaches

What point? the point is void of any context at all.....which is what everyone that has any critical thinking skills at all....realize.....

The facts are that this coming year will be DA's 6th season as a HC, his record is 24-46, he had a playoff worthy roster this year, hand picked his guy at QB and they spectacularly underachieved......

ML could have said something like "I still believe DA has what it takes to be a successful HC" and left it there, I would disagree of course but whatever.....to go on to nonsensically compare him to 3 HOF coaches reeks of both hubris and desperation .....Every Saints fan I know thinks that the ML PC was an absolute clown show.....

I could care less what Ross Jackson thinks....