NFL meeting to ban hip drop tackles.. (Update: Now banned) (2 Viewers)

[Hadders]

No point looking at any historical stats anymore.

Change this rule, ban that tackle, move the kick off yards.

Its a completely different game.

 

[kcirdor]

Seems they just don't want people to hit people in the legs from behind, makes sense.

 

[SaintRob]

I understand the spirit of the proposed rule as this has caused some gruesome injuries. I'd like to see some videos of hip drop tackles on the ankle where no injury occurred. It looks like it would only be a foul when you hip drop into the lower leg. In some of the videos posted in this thread, it showed the hip landing on the turf, not the leg, which wouldn't be a penalty.

 

[2009ring]

Another potential penalty to bail out Pat Mahomes in a playoff game if necessary.

 

[SaintRob]

I think this is interesting:

The committee also proposed a 15-yard personal foul for hip-drop tackles, which it defined as any time a defender grabs the runner with both hands or wraps the runner with both arms, and then swivels or drops his hips or lower body, landing on and trapping the runner’s leg below the knees.

League executive Jeff Miller has said the hip-drop tackle increases risk of injury by 25 times the rate of a standard tackle. The committee views those tackles as being similar to horse collar tackles that were banned before the 2005 season.

The NFLPA is against the rule change, believing it can’t be fairly enforced.

“The players oppose any attempt by the NFL to implement a rule prohibiting a ‘swivel hip-drop’ tackle,” the NFLPA said in a statement. “While the NFLPA remains committed to improvements to our game with health and safety in mind, we cannot support a rule change that causes confusion for us as players, for coaches, for officials and especially, for fans. We call on the NFL, again, to reconsider implementing this rule.”

Seems like the players are against it and willing to bear the risk.

 

[Broad St. Saint]

The way they demonstrate it in the videos, it reminds me of the way a cowboy brings down a calf in rodeos. Are they going to ask them to tie both legs and one arm together?

Would make the game more entertaining IMHO.

 

[Booker]

I can see why they'd want to ban it, but I think it will probably be difficult to enforce consistently. It's also another rule change that makes it harder to play defense -- and less profitable, with penalties likely to result in fines.

If they keep making it harder to make a legal tackle, though, I wonder if we're heading to games that will look like the last few years of the probowl. Which is ironic, because they stopped playing the pro bowl because there was no defense because players were trying to avoid getting hurt, making it unwatchable, and yet at the same time they're legislating the game in the same direction.

 

[BreesusSaves]

The NFL adding more and more rules that are blurry while betting on sports rises at an astronomical rate.

Wild "coincidence".

 

[St. Geezy]

No point looking at any historical stats anymore.

Change this rule, ban that tackle, move the kick off yards.

Its a completely different game.

Yep...not to mention the 17 games, which is soon to be 18 games. But hey, "player safety."

 

[Yingers70]

I don’t like all these new rules, but this one I agree with. Whenever I see a defender hip drop tackle a player it immediately looks to me like they intentionally trying to injure the player with the ball. A foot or part of the lower leg has all of the weight of the tackler. Those body parts cannot withstand 220 - 300 lbs of force without something tearing or breaking. I cringe every time I see it.

 

[Clintonrebel]

This is getting to the point where we will call a penalty on a hitter when a ground ball hits a fielder in the nose.

 

[Saints 318]

I would love to see the amount of rules the NFL has compare to other leagues. No wonder refs get stuff wrong. It’s too many rules.

 

[Yingers70]

I think this illustration from rugby does a good job explaining and could serve as a framework for the NFL.

 

[St. Geezy]

I think this is interesting:



Seems like the players are against it and willing to bear the risk.

Doesn't surprise me to see the NFLPA with this stance...it's football.

Plus, while I appreciate the sentiment from Miller, "Increases the risk of injury by 25 times the rate of a standard tackle" sounds a lot worse than it actually is when you do the math.

What is it...instead of a .002 risk of injury on a tackle you now have a .05 risk in the rare instances where it’s used? Rough numbers, but you get the drift.

It's not like the horse collar tackle, which was far worse of a rate.

 

[MV2]

I wouldn't mind. Grabbing a guy and dropping your weight on his legs is an injury waiting to happen.