Nick Underhill: Players organizing a Players-Only Meeting (2 Viewers)

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Kamara spoke about it in his interview unprovoked. The vibe I'm getting is that Allen enjoys veteran teams because he likes those guys to control the lockerroom while he focuses on X's and O's. He appears to not have personal relationships w/ guys, other than perhaps bottom line hey gotta cut ya, type moments. This may be what Amy Trask was alluding to when she mentioned his "leadership style".

He's just not very personable and we're right back where we were last year, the players can't focus on playing because they have to be worried about making sure the guy next to him does his job.

 

[RaginSaint93]

I would like to be in that room

 

[First Time Poster]

Another slight, smallish WR? Pass. Give me the Mike Evans clone in Tetairoa McMillan.

McMillan over Hunter all week and twice on Sunday. He’s 10 times the receiver Hunter is.

On top of that Hunter will end up a corner in the NFL as he should.

1. He's the best player in the draft, and I don't think it's close.

2. You aren't drafting him to play WR, you are drafting him to play corner. The fact that people are evaluating him as a WR speaks to how talented he is. He's not the best WR in the draft but, again, we are talking about a guy who will play DB in the league. But, he is drawing comps to Garret Wilson at wide out. And Surtain at CB. Yeah, I'm drafting that guy if I get the chance.

3. The Saints corner depth is misleading. Lattimore is great, but is injured often and carries a large cap #. Adebo is feast/famine and will now be coming off a major injury and due for a raise. Poor man's Diggs; not someone you want to overpay. Taylor has flourished at nickel, he needs to stay there. I'm high on Kool-Aid but point is, an A level talent like Hunter at corner means you don't have to overpay Abedo and you can reliably move on from Lattimore.

4. Redundancy at WR, with this roster, isn't a bad thing. Some Olave and Shaheed insurance, from your corner, piques my interest. I wouldn't sell the farm to get him, but if I'm top five in picks, that's who I'm targeting at present.

 

[504gks]

Hahaha. You know, he's so hell-bent on brainwashing fans that he's created a "culture", that he fed every single rookie this year the same scripted line that included "great culture" in their draft-day social media recordings.

If you listen to all of them, you'll notice they're all reading from the same exact card.

Culture doesnt work if the players and game plan arent good. Its great that they are trying tho. I'll put 2 gold stars on their foreheads.

 

[504gks]

1. He's the best player in the draft, and I don't think it's close.

2. You aren't drafting him to play WR, you are drafting him to play corner. The fact that people are evaluating him as a WR speaks to how talented he is. He's not the best WR in the draft but, again, we are talking about a guy who will play DB in the league. But, he is drawing comps to Garret Wilson at wide out. And Surtain at CB. Yeah, I'm drafting that guy if I get the chance.

3. The Saints corner depth is misleading. Lattimore is great, but is injured often and carries a large cap #. Adebo is feast/famine and will now be coming off a major injury and due for a raise. Poor man's Diggs; not someone you want to overpay. Taylor has flourished at nickel, he needs to stay there. I'm high on Kool-Aid but point is, an A level talent like Hunter at corner means you don't have to overpay Abedo and you can reliably move on from Lattimore.

4. Redundancy at WR, with this roster, isn't a bad thing. Some Olave and Shaheed insurance, from your corner, piques my interest. I wouldn't sell the farm to get him, but if I'm top five in picks, that's who I'm targeting at present.

Taylor got outjumped /outplayed by a 3rd grader, and Koolaid never jumped at all. They both have a long way to go. At least Adebo would have tackled the 3rd grader, even if it was while the ball was in the air...

 

[HouseCall]

Culture doesnt work if the players and game plan arent good. Its great that they are trying tho. I'll put 2 gold stars on their foreheads.

You’d be surprised how little “players only” meetings accomplish on the field.

It’s typically used, in my opinion, as a message to the front office that they don’t like the coach or coaches.

If these players aren’t holding one another accountable in the locker room and on the sidelines already - there’s little a players only meeting will do.

 

[SweetT]

You’d be surprised how little “players only” meetings accomplish on the field.

It’s typically used, in my opinion, as a message to the front office that they don’t like the coach or coaches.

If these players aren’t holding one another accountable in the locker room and on the sidelines already - there’s little a players only meeting will do.

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[SweetT]

Kamara spoke about it in his interview unprovoked. The vibe I'm getting is that Allen enjoys veteran teams because he likes those guys to control the lockerroom while he focuses on X's and O's. He appears to not have personal relationships w/ guys, other than perhaps bottom line hey gotta cut ya, type moments. This may be what Amy Trask was alluding to when she mentioned his "leadership style".

He's just not very personable and we're right back where we were last year, the players can't focus on playing because they have to be worried about making sure the guy next to him does his job.

Dude has almost zero conversational skills. Just listen to this guy in post game locker room clips, pressers, or interviews. There is nothing worse than a redundant person, who can’t find solutions, and who isn’t a leader. At some point, you just show up just to clock in, and go home. Literally there has been no videos of him giving a rah rah speech that entices a team to believe. Same ole crap every week. If you are going to lose as a leader, then at least have some fight. This dude is the most bland and dejected person I’ve ever seen.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

1. He's the best player in the draft, and I don't think it's close.

2. You aren't drafting him to play WR, you are drafting him to play corner. The fact that people are evaluating him as a WR speaks to how talented he is. He's not the best WR in the draft but, again, we are talking about a guy who will play DB in the league. But, he is drawing comps to Garret Wilson at wide out. And Surtain at CB. Yeah, I'm drafting that guy if I get the chance.

3. The Saints corner depth is misleading. Lattimore is great, but is injured often and carries a large cap #. Adebo is feast/famine and will now be coming off a major injury and due for a raise. Poor man's Diggs; not someone you want to overpay. Taylor has flourished at nickel, he needs to stay there. I'm high on Kool-Aid but point is, an A level talent like Hunter at corner means you don't have to overpay Abedo and you can reliably move on from Lattimore.

4. Redundancy at WR, with this roster, isn't a bad thing. Some Olave and Shaheed insurance, from your corner, piques my interest. I wouldn't sell the farm to get him, but if I'm top five in picks, that's who I'm targeting at present.

I mostly agree, they need to retool around the reality of the last 2-3 drafts, because they are stuck w/ those guys as their new building block. Unless they change course and try to acquire picks for next years draft.

 

[Sumdude34]

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of this being players calling other players out. We have an interestingly mixed roster of older guys who are used to winning/competing and younger guys who have so far really only known losing.

I don't think our players are inherently lazy, but they see what we all see - a mountain of injuries and a starting unit full of PS players. With that, this team has pretty much quit mid-game 3 weeks in a row. Especially the defense which has always played hard in previous seasons even when the offense was struggling.

The tension is building, and Allen is doing nothing to fix it himself. So it falls on the Vets.

 

[Saints 318]

They need to make sure the front office is in there

 

[rememberTHEsaints]

is cam jordan bringing a mic or a notebook to team meeting?

That dudes bringing a folding chair and an iced margarita to that that meeting.

 

[Jesse Custer]

Yes, after watching Olave our "WR1" go in and out of the locker room to be repeatedly checked out, wondering if he'll get up after every hard hit and hoping he'll catch the ball with contact, it's time to get a legit WR1 in the building. A true X with size and playmaking ability.

Yeah, I'm worried about Olave's long term prospects at life at this point. I want the guy to be able to feed himself when he's in his 50s.

McMillan intrigues because he honestly reminds me of Colston and Mike Thomas in their primes. Great hands, attacks the ball, ability to box out defenders or run such sudden routes that he creates separation by that alone, with more long speed than either of them had. He reminds me of Mike Evans sans the b**chiness. Unless something big changes, we're gonna have a Top 5 pick and probably won't have to move up.

 

[St. Widge]

You’d be surprised how little “players only” meetings accomplish on the field.

It’s typically used, in my opinion, as a message to the front office that they don’t like the coach or coaches.

If these players aren’t holding one another accountable in the locker room and on the sidelines already - there’s little a players only meeting will do.

Based on the Underhill article and the quotes from Kamara about why the meeting was called, it is not about sending a message to the front office and is really about the older players thinking that the younger players don't understand the standard that needs to be set and the little things that need to be fixed with attention to detail.

That being said, those are all things that a head coach should handle and things that Payton did handle. So, whether they intend this a a message to the front office or not the fact that the older players have to call this kind of meeting says a lot to the front office about DA as a head coach. Specifically that he isn't holding guys responsible for not doing things right and Kamara has been saying since last year that nobody is there to hold guys responsible for mistakes.

 

[Blessedog]

I’ve really been patient on the fire DA train but this is crazy. It’s not even because of the players only meeting but the context of it. The lack of attention to detail is unbelievably concerning to me.

DA brought in Kubiak/Janocko/Grantham/Benton BECAUSE they were great, detail oriented coaches. How are we missing the small details? I just don’t get it. You hired these guys to teach and preach execution, timing, and rhythm and the players have to host a meeting to try to get this corrected? That’s insane.