One thing I don't want in the draft (1 Viewer)

[Boy_of_wonder75]

1C) Syphilis

 

[DerrickB]

The only way we trade up is if Stroud or Young gets caught with prostitutes and blow, while being recorded…..which would cause them to slide in the draft

No, as long as they didn't put any hands on them, they won't slide.

 

[TribuneUK]

Curious...what are your thoughts on Payton Turner?

That he's a different player and not all players turn out alike?

 

[faceman]

Instead, may I suggest that 1B is modified for taking players that have had an injury "history" at the collegiate level. I'm not talking about guys who got hurt on occasion, as everyone gets hurt at some point playing football. I'm talking about the guys who frequently miss stretches of games, multiple times, or have missed entire seasons. If they can't stay healthy in college, how are they gonna stay healthy against bigger, faster, stronger guys at the next level? It's silly to expect them to, and it's stupid to think they will. I'm sure there are some guys who pulled it off, but I'll bet the odds are similar to finding the next franchise QB (or even a positional GOAT?) in the 5th-7th rounds. It could happen....but 99% chance it doesn't. So QUIT DRAFTING PLAYERS WITH INJURY HISTORIES at the college level. You're just gonna end up paying them for a career of IR.

The best example of one who pulled it off was Anthony Munoz. He only played 1 full season at USC, The other 3 were
marred with long stretches of being out with injuries to both knees. The Bengals took a chance and he went on to
be the best LT that ever played the game. That said these types are very very rare.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

That he's a different player and not all players turn out alike?

He's on the same trajectory...I want to say that we kept him in on a ton of snaps in the preseason because he was inconsistent.

We held on to an extra first to draft a lineman that didn't play much his rookie year. What was sooo special about Penning that we couldn't have drafted "him" this year. We got almost nothing out of that 2nd first, but spent a ton in the effort to hold onto that 2nd first. Moving up from 18 to 11 would've cost half of what it would've cost to keep 18...moved to 19 to get 16, then move from 16 to 11. And we would've gotten the exact same on the field product we fielded this year without holding on to that 2nd first.

That's my point.

 

[TribuneUK]

He's on the same trajectory...I want to say that we kept him in on a ton of snaps in the preseason because he was inconsistent.

We held on to an extra first to draft a lineman that didn't play much his rookie year. What was sooo special about Penning that we couldn't have drafted "him" this year. We got almost nothing out of that 2nd first, but spent a ton in the effort to hold onto that 2nd first. Moving up from 18 to 11 would've cost half of what it would've cost to keep 18...moved to 19 to get 16, then move from 16 to 11. And we would've gotten the exact same on the field product we fielded this year without holding on to that 2nd first.

That's my point.

Trajectory means something (barely) when there are more than a couple of points plotted in the player's career to date. You're jumping ahead just a couple of years here.

All I've seen is someone second guessing a pick they didn't like (I suspect you were pounding the table for a 'playmaker' instead at the time) and using that player's injuries which happened after the draft pick as some sort of justification, despite that being impossible to know at the time of the pick. Do you see how that doesn't work?

As for the trades, they wanted a WR and an OL in that round and obviously felt both were worth the cost of acquisition. I don't know that I like the cost either, but no one makes any move like this, while also saying, 'Ooh, but... y'know... what if he gets injured in year 1...?'. Because they don't have time machines, guy. They just don't.

 

[boutte]

It will be a shock no matter what the pick is. . . I don't think we have ever drafted anyone that was the consensus mock draft pick. DE will be what we need or OL since they are always injured.

Everybody mocked us to pick Penning if he was available. Olave too.

 

[MatthewV]

if you want to lay blame at anything, be mad we spent a ton to keep a 2nd 1st that wasn't projected to start week 1...a total waste IMO.

A giant, dominating LT is a sky-high positional value. His post-draft injury is moot. If the Saints get a 4-year starting LT on a rookie contract after missing the first year entirely due to injuries and redshirt season to acclimate him, it would be opposite of a "total waste" -- every team in the NFL would take that value.

The trade is totally impossible to grade as far as an outcome standpoint at this time. If Penning is a good starting LT, no one can look back and say it was a terrible move because it's no longer a hypothetical.

ETA: A good starting LT is around $13M-$20M per season. At four seasons we're talking $50-$80M. Regardless of the sheet trade value at time (which I agree was sheet), the Saints picked a super high ceiling prospect at a super high value position that's also a position of need. I can understand this in context because a successful Penning is absolutely worth that draft trade value and more.

 

[iamcthru]

I'm a realist. How did those 2018 and 2020 drafts go. Still wonder how many winning years we would have had without Drew? We will see. Payton with the Broncos, and our Front Office will be the test.(I do like this years moves)

Pessimistic people will only admit to being realists.

 

[natedog]

One thing i'll add too if it hasn't been mentioned is this, I suspect the FO only wants 5 or so players out of a draft. We already have a decent/good roster, you'd just end up cutting draftees like Antonio Pittman that year if you don't have enough spots. But, if you are going to trade up, take a solid guy like Olave, not a gym freak that takes years to adapt to NFL speed strength opponents.

 

[natedog]

Everybody mocked us to pick Penning if he was available. Olave too.

Thanks I've admittedly been a little out of touch on the drafts the past few years as I am dealing with my football addiction, I promised myself I would scale back when Payton/Brees retired, lol.

Now my draft prep is the week of, so I barely know the top players until then and don't watch college ball. I like Penning, he just hasn't really been available so far to form an opinion. He'll be like an extra 1st this year in ways.

 

[504gks]

A giant, dominating LT is a sky-high positional value. His post-draft injury is moot. If the Saints get a 4-year starting LT on a rookie contract after missing the first year entirely due to injuries and redshirt season to acclimate him, it would be opposite of a "total waste" -- every team in the NFL would take that value.

The trade is totally impossible to grade as far as an outcome standpoint at this time. If Penning is a good starting LT, no one can look back and say it was a terrible move because it's no longer a hypothetical.

ETA: A good starting LT is around $13M-$20M per season. At four seasons we're talking $50-$80M. Regardless of the sheet trade value at time (which I agree was sheet), the Saints picked a super high ceiling prospect at a super high value position that's also a position of need. I can understand this in context because a successful Penning is absolutely worth that draft trade value and more.

I hope your right, but even when healthy he was a scary pass blocker. Where would he be rated compared to this years tackles if we were just patient. I think the only trade won was Jimmy Graham, and that was just a borderline win with Unger. Stephon Anthony sucked

 

[504gks]

One thing i'll add too if it hasn't been mentioned is this, I suspect the FO only wants 5 or so players out of a draft. We already have a decent/good roster, you'd just end up cutting draftees like Antonio Pittman that year if you don't have enough spots. But, if you are going to trade up, take a solid guy like Olave, not a gym freak that takes years to adapt to NFL speed strength opponents.

Our "roster" won 7 games. I think we could fit in a few talented cheap draft picks to develop

 

[JackDiesel]

I hope your right, but even when healthy he was a scary pass blocker. Where would he be rated compared to this years tackles if we were just patient. I think the only trade won was Jimmy Graham, and that was just a borderline win with Unger. Stephon Anthony sucked

He'd be the 2nd/3rd best tackle. Behind Paris Johnson, Peter Skronski is probably better right now but his short arms are a concern. After that the drop off is pretty steep. So there's a chance we wouldn't even get a tackle we'd be happy with in this draft.

 

[saint_drago]

From the 4th round on it's basically lottery tickets. Teams have different approaches on how to use these scratch offs. Teams can draft productive players from big schools who might not have the highest ceiling, they can draft high ceiling players who fell due to injury/character concerns, they can draft boom or bust projects with massive upside, or they can draft small school projects.

For as long as I can remember I've been envious of the drafts of teams like the Steelers, Ravens, and Bengals. They usually "win" the draft by taking big school "name" players who were productive in college. You were always going to be able to read about their picks in draft magazines. They usually keep it pretty simple and just draft good ball players.

The Saints have been known to get a little cute with off wall picks from schools you've never heard of. Hell they drafted a dude from Regina University in Sasquatch Canada. But it's hard to argue with the results. They have made some incredible pulls from lesser known schools.