Pass Interference Penalties (3 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

They’re doing everything the receiver does but playing backwards. The league needs to lighten up the idea of PI but they won’t because scores bring views.

As far as rule change goes, I don’t agree with it at all. The 15 yard only foul makes sense in college because there’s clear separation on most plays, in the NFL if coverage isn’t completely broken then everything is contested. The only solution I can possibly see is still subjective enough that I’m not sure it matters. You can have different versions of PI where im obvious PI is a spot foul and the “bang bang” kind of plays are just 15 yards. Likely both would result in automatic 1st downs which is a killer in and of itself.
Not to mention it would be the same refs deciding what’s obvious and what’s not.

Refs are already making judgments all it would do is make it a refined judgement making it more accurate and fair

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

I’ve always thought it should be the 15 yard variety. My whole life.

 

[Bill]

Sorry the rule is bad and has always been. Too much of a penalty for a ref's judgement call. There should be 2 degrees of DPI, DPI being 15 yds and automatic 1st and intentional DPI with that being a spot foul with auto 1st.

If there were two different degrees of pass interference, I suspect that fans would always accept the refs judgement on which level of interference was warranted for (or against) their team.

 

[mg6035]

They will let us have anything down field short of the endzone. you can't do crap with 2 seconds. We could have thrown it 50 yrds downfield and the game is still over

Not if it’s pass interference. Isn’t that a spot foul and an untimed down? Now if they let us catch it in front of them and then make the tackle, then yeah, games over anyway.

 

[DSnfla]

If there were two different degrees of pass interference, I suspect that fans would always accept the refs judgement on which level of interference was warranted for (or against) their team.

Yeah sure but it refines the penalty, but it lets the refs say yeah technically it's DPI but it was not intentionally done to stop a score like grabbing the guy cause you got beat. The idea is to stop teams from just throwing up a pass hoping to get the DPI call and the ridiculous flag

 

[Bill]

Yeah sure but it refines the penalty, but it lets the refs say yeah technically it's DPI but it was not intentionally done to stop a score like grabbing the guy cause you got beat. The idea is to stop teams from just throwing up a pass hoping to get the DPI call and the ridiculous flag

That would be nice. But in most cases when a defender is not beaten by the receiver and plays the ball, even if there is a collision there is usually no flag thrown. So the key is: not getting beat by the receiver and make an attempt to catch the ball, not just whack the receiver before the ball gets there.

 

[Yatman]

oops, quoting myself from the "what i hate" thread earlier

what i hate is nfl's insistence on the jackpot p.i. rule instead of 15-yd penalty like ncaa

total reward/risk value dependent on
- quality of secondary
- how far qb can throw
- whims of the refs

 

[The X-Man]

Yeah, I like this. Otherwise, if a team is trying to make a long game-winning drive, the defense can just PI and limit the offense to 15 yards per play.

What I wonder is, would Adebo's penalty today be of the "spot foul" variety or a 15 yarder? I would say the ref's would have ruled Spot Foul, and the result (for us) would be the same.

I believe Adebo's foul would have easily been of the inadvertent, "two grown men being in the same space" variety. When I think of a blatant foul that would suggest a spot foul is warranted, I think of grabbing, holding, tripping...actions that are evidently blatant. Adebo's PI was not that.

 

[St. Geezy]

I’ve always thought it should be the 15 yard variety. My whole life.

Same. NFL PI is way too severe.

Imagine if there was an offensive equivalent of a 40 yard penalty in an end of game situation.

 

[LAhotsauce]

Yeah, I like this. Otherwise, if a team is trying to make a long game-winning drive, the defense can just PI and limit the offense to 15 yards per play.

Yet somehow this had never been an issue at the college level.

I do not like the spot foul because you automatically assume the play would be executed otherwise. Receivers drop balls and passes are inaccurate all the time. It needs to be just like in college. 15 yard penalty and no more.

 

[The X-Man]

The only reason we hate the rule is because it is one that continually goes against the Saints and it has cost us so many potential victories. If our defenders could learn to play the ball and not get beaten on those deep routes, then we could accept the rule as it is.

I must vehemently disagree with you here my friend. I've hated the spot foul penalty for quite some time, and it has NOTHING to do with the Saints. It's more tied to my fanaticism for the integrity of the game. I have seen way too many very good, competitive, entertaining, hard-fought games decided by a ticky-tack PI call. I hate it whether the Saints are on the field or not, and I hate it whether the Saints are the beneficiary or not. The PI spot foul is obsolete and is no longer relevant for today's NFL where the strength, speed, and athleticism of the players are at levels never imagined.

 

[504gks]

I was watching the Fox post game show on TV a little bit ago. The crew was talking about how crazy some of these pass interference penalties can be. They can easily be a 30-50 yard penalty.

When teams are losing, they throw deep knowing if they don’t complete the pass they may well gain a penalty, and in many cases that will flip the game.

Jimmy Johnson in particular said it’s ridiculous and NFL should consider the college rule limiting the penalty to 15 yards.

Forget that it happened to the Saints today, but what’s your opinion on this type of rule change?

I dont think we should consider givivg adebo a big contract. He gets 2-4 a game.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

I dont think we should consider givivg adebo a big contract. He gets 2-4 a game.

I’d like to sign him but I don’t think the team will be able to anyways. Think that’s why they drafted Kool Aid.

 

[mikedre]

I was watching the Fox post game show on TV a little bit ago. The crew was talking about how crazy some of these pass interference penalties can be. They can easily be a 30-50 yard penalty.

When teams are losing, they throw deep knowing if they don’t complete the pass they may well gain a penalty, and in many cases that will flip the game.

Jimmy Johnson in particular said it’s ridiculous and NFL should consider the college rule limiting the penalty to 15 yards.

Forget that it happened to the Saints today, but what’s your opinion on this type of rule change?

That has been our kryptonite for years. We have lost many divisional games that way. I remember Cam Newton using it successfully all of the time.

 

[DSnfla]

That would be nice. But in most cases when a defender is not beaten by the receiver and plays the ball, even if there is a collision there is usually no flag thrown. So the key is: not getting beat by the receiver and make an attempt to catch the ball, not just whack the receiver before the ball gets there.

It used to be that if the DB did not turn his head or make an attempt to turn his head it was DPI. Why that went away I don't know . DPI needs to be more defined