Penning and Fuaga!!!! (1 Viewer)

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Jesse Custer said:
Well, the zone blocking scheme allows him to attack and use his athleticism more than Marrone's "stand there and maybe get in the edge's way," scheme.
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While the defense sit in known gaps to disrupt plays.

If you got defenders able to sniff out gaps to consistently put in pressure. You have a scheme issue.


Wasn't it weird how they was able how easy defense was able to counter our scheme... Granted this issue started to crop up 2020, but Payton was still elite at big play creation. You didn't see it as apparently.
 
Infoman said:
Let’s clear something up…. All the doubt and criticism of Penning was getting before the season… was valid and deserved. He was bad. His technique was bad. His foot work was bad. His balance was bad. It was almost all bad.

Just like the praise he is getting now for being able to get out of his own head, fit into this scheme, and do his job at a high level is now valid and deserved.

I was someone who said that if he looked like the same guy in the first few games of the season, as the guy I saw last year…. It was time to cut him and move on.

Him making improvements and actually playing well now doesn’t make take wrong, nor does it make me a hater.

It just means he’s done what he has to to so far to be an asset to the team and help us win. And that’s all any of us ever wanted from him the last 2 years.

I think this system has helped him considerably by allowing him to run block more, move forward more than backwards, get help on long developing passes and he has to think much less…. Thereby allowing his feet to actually work.

It’s good to see and I am happy I don’t have to think about him being a weak link, and that the Saints don’t have to move on from him out of necessity.
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You know you could say... I was proven wrong, but it was Pete Carmichael and Martone fault of painting an ugly picture on Penning. And Everyone would agree with you.
 
Taker597 said:
You know you could say... I was proven wrong, but it was Pete Carmichael and Martone fault of painting an ugly picture on Penning. And Everyone would agree with you.
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I mean you could…. Put it like this. If I get caught drunk driving for 2 years in a row…. And you call me a drunk driver…. Then I drive for 2 weeks without drinking…. Were you now proven wrong for calling me a drunk driver for 2 years? Even if someone was feeding me drinks and handing me keys…. You still weren’t wrong then. And just because I stopped doing it now, that doesn’t make you a drunk driver hater for pointing it out when I was doing it. Seems like a weird stance to me.
 
I don’t even mind the punch Penning threw at the Cowboys player on the special teams play, love the aggression
 
In the end, whatever his story was, whatever the speedbumps on his journey, Penning needed to produce this year. That was the bottom line. If he didn't produce then he was going to be replaced, more than likely by someone with lesser physical gifts. He needed to produce for his career and he needed to produce for us to have a chance to be good.

He has produced.

I still don't feel he's someone you want to leave on an island for 20 reps a game (yet) but with this scheme, and because Fuaga is legit, that's ok. As long as we can run the ball effectively we can mitigate his current weaknesses and, with time, he can hopefully polish up his pass pro technique to the point where you can leave him on an island more often and not worry too much about it (like Fuaga).

I'm just so glad he's showing out because we really, really needed him to be capable. And he's been more than capable, particularly in the run game - and for us, the run game has to work because our offense is based on it. Having played this same scheme in College (from Mike Shanahan's college roommate as OC), it's a wonderful symbiosis where the scheme allows you to run effectively, and because you can run effectively, pass pro is easier. It made our (frankly, sub-average) college OL with questionable talents, into a really effective unit.
 
FLIPPY said:
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This is a Beautiful Picture!
 
Both are looking like All-Pros for sure. But the most impressive to me is Patrick. He's getting to the second level and taking on blockers with ease. Also, Johnson made a couple nice blocks yesterday as well. Everyone is contributing.
 
DSnfla said:
90% of you were so dead wrong about Penning. The hate was ridiculous. I feel vindicated in my staunch defense of him. Look beneath the surface to find the true story
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Heck yeah people were down on him. What did you expect from a high pick. Glad to see the switch turn on or was preseason a bait.
 
Belfast Saint said:
In the end, whatever his story was, whatever the speedbumps on his journey, Penning needed to produce this year. That was the bottom line. If he didn't produce then he was going to be replaced, more than likely by someone with lesser physical gifts. He needed to produce for his career and he needed to produce for us to have a chance to be good.

He has produced.

I still don't feel he's someone you want to leave on an island for 20 reps a game (yet) but with this scheme, and because Fuaga is legit, that's ok. As long as we can run the ball effectively we can mitigate his current weaknesses and, with time, he can hopefully polish up his pass pro technique to the point where you can leave him on an island more often and not worry too much about it (like Fuaga).

I'm just so glad he's showing out because we really, really needed him to be capable. And he's been more than capable, particularly in the run game - and for us, the run game has to work because our offense is based on it. Having played this same scheme in College (from Mike Shanahan's college roommate as OC), it's a wonderful symbiosis where the scheme allows you to run effectively, and because you can run effectively, pass pro is easier. It made our (frankly, sub-average) college OL with questionable talents, into a really effective unit.
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As a a raw prospect that needed some polishing, Penning came into a less than ideal situation in terms of scheme. The defenders he was trying to block didn't have to worry about anything but pinning their ears back and hauling it to the passer. Just get to the QB. Elite athletes were allowed to use muscle memory and instinct. Not much thinking going on.

Now those same defenders are being forced to think. Is it another run down my throat? Is it a screen? What is Taysom Hill doing back there? There's another guy going in motion, what's his deal? Wait, do they have that fast WR lined up at RB? What's up with that?

Simply forcing a defense to hesitate for a split second makes all the difference in the world. Not just for Penning but for every single position on offense. Amazing what a little imagination and creativity can do for an offense.
 
saint_drago said:
As a a raw prospect that needed some polishing, Penning came into a less than ideal situation in terms of scheme. The defenders he was trying to block didn't have to worry about anything but pinning their ears back and hauling it to the passer. Just get to the QB. Elite athletes were allowed to use muscle memory and instinct. Not much thinking going on.

Now those same defenders are being forced to think. Is it another run down my throat? Is it a screen? What is Taysom Hill doing back there? There's another guy going in motion, what's his deal? Wait, do they have that fast WR lined up at RB? What's up with that?

Simply forcing a defense to hesitate for a split second makes all the difference in the world. Not just for Penning but for every single position on offense. Amazing what a little imagination and creativity can do for an offense.
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Yes, and that's the OL friendly nature of the scheme, and running the ball effectively so that the threat to run on 3rd and 6 or 7 has to be respected - that's the critical bit.
 

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