Pickett at 16? (1 Viewer)

[Super44]

Let’s hope the team improves tomorrow night. I think qb is a need but hope the team doesn’t trade up for one.

Don’t see them needing to trade up to get a QB this year with so much talent available early on and teams that are in need for a QB, will not be reaching for 1 of the 3 most notable QB’s mentioned, in the top 15 overall picks.

 

[KYSaintsFan]

When the season ended I was hoping there was just some way we could pull off getting Kenny Pickett without mortgaging future picks. Now we have two picks and I personally hope we don't pull the trigger now. Now, if the top four tackles and the top four receivers are gone by 16 then I may not hate it as much but I still feel like we need two dudes that are guaranteed to contribute next year.

 

[Eman5805]

Because they have ZERO faith in Winston as the next long term answer. If so, they would not have gone so hard for Watson and would then have signed Winston to a long term deal.

Two things can be true at the same time.

We can believe Winston can be a long term answer but we can take advantage of the uncertainty to have Winston on the cheap...while also believing Watson would've been a BETTER long term answer.

 

[Louie18914]

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They got to get in front of Carolina and take their QB. Which QB? Who knows?

GOOD LUCK TenTwo. Nice to have known you

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[St.Dan]

I don't sense it happening. A QB room of Winston, Dalton and Book is what we're likeliest to see this year.

 

[WhoDatNationQC]

Pass

 

[TenTwo]

GOOD LUCK TenTwo. Nice to have known you

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[DeuceMcAllisterFan]

If No QBs are picked before 16, I can envision that it could be considered as a value selection. To have your choice of all of the QBs at 16 can be attractive and pretty much where these QBs should be slotted to go. I’d rather not take one here but I won’t pretend that there isn’t a possibility if they like a QB enough.

 

[Infoman]

I'm not saying the Saints taking a QB in the 1st is some kind of slam dunk... I think we could take one in the 1st or 2nd, and that is a very realistic possibility...

We have to remember these facts... As of today, The Saints don't have a 1st rounder next year, nor a 2nd rounder the following year.... And every QB on the team currently is either on a 1 year deal (Either in Fact or in Structure)... or is developmental at best.

If they really like one of these guys... Odds are good that we take one with one of our first 3 picks (PS.. Vegas thinks the same)

 

[sfidc3]

I sure hope we don't.....None of these QB's are worth taking in the 1st IMO....but I also don't pretend to know what they are going to do....but we will find out soon enough....

 

[St. Widge]

Spot on, couldn’t agree more. Literally everything the Saints have done indicates they don’t see Winston as the long term QB. To then trade next years 1st (making it difficult to draft/trade for a QB if Winston doesn’t work out) without taking a QB this year doesn’t make sense or align with the way they’ve operated. Everything suggests we’re going QB at some point in the first 2 rounds of this draft.

Except Loomis said yesterday that Philly sought them out for the trade for the second 1st round pick. The Saints were not actively seeking another 1st round pick as part of a plan to move up in the draft. The option just presented itself and Loomis said they liked the idea of moving up the talent from next year's first to this year. So, that does not indicate that they have a plan to trade up for a QB. In fact the fact that they were willing to trade away next year's first in order to get two players this year, indicates that they are at least okay with the idea of Winston starting for two years if someone they think is going to be a great QB doesn't fall to them. If you feel that you must replace your QB you don't do this deal to lose next year's first while not trading up to get a QB you are targeting.

Had they went out and sought that second 1st round pick, I would think it may be part of a plan to trade up for a QB. But, that's not what happened. Still, it's possible that a good deal will present itself and they would do it. But, it's not part of a larger plan to get a QB and doesn't really tell us much about how they feel about Winston.

 

[St. Widge]

I'm not saying the Saints taking a QB in the 1st is some kind of slam dunk... I think we could take one in the 1st or 2nd, and that is a very realistic possibility...

We have to remember these facts... As of today, The Saints don't have a 1st rounder next year, nor a 2nd rounder the following year.... And every QB on the team currently is either on a 1 year deal (Either in Fact or in Structure)... or is developmental at best.

If they really like one of these guys... Odds are good that we take one with one of our first 3 picks (PS.. Vegas thinks the same)

It is possible that they take a QB with one of their picks from the 1st through the 7th this year. It might even be likely. But, given that Loomis said the trade for the 2nd first was initiated by Philly, it tells me the Saints had no plans to move up for a QB. And if they had no plans to trade up, that tells me that they are not convinced any of these QBs are franchise QBs. And if you trade next year's one and don't plan to guarantee and QB pick this year by trading up, it tells me while they are not convinced Winston is the guy, they are at least okay with the idea of him starting for the next 2 years. Otherwise, they would have a plan to move up to get the QB they want this year or they would have kept next year's first round pick. They could still take a QB at 16 or 19 if the right guy falls, but it's not part of some plan to replace Winston because they see it as essential.

P.S. I quoted your entire post.

 

[MatthewV]

Except Loomis said yesterday that Philly sought them out for the trade for the second 1st round pick. The Saints were not actively seeking another 1st round pick as part of a plan to move up in the draft. The option just presented itself and Loomis said they liked the idea of moving up the talent from next year's first to this year. So, that does not indicate that they have a plan to trade up for a QB.

Had they went out and sought that second 1st round pick, I would think it may be part of a plan to trade up for a QB. But, that's not what happened. Still, it's possible that a good deal will present itself and they would do it. But, it's not part of a larger plan to get a QB and doesn't really tell us much about how they feel about Winston.

Generally agree with what you write but this doesn't make sense to me. Whether the Saints initiated the specific talks with the Eagles doesn't indicate why they said yes to deal, or that it has nothing to do with a QB.

As far as we know, the decision to say yes could be due to them liking a QB that might be available in that range or the need to potentially trade up a little to draft one they really like.

Even taking Loomis' statement at face value about keeping two picks doesn't mean one isn't a QB.

We will know in a few hours but right now there's no reason to disqualify QB as a potential pick and lots of reasons to think it's on table.

 

[St. Widge]

Generally agree with what you write but this doesn't make sense to me. Whether the Saints initiated the specific talks with the Eagles doesn't indicate why they said yes to deal, or that it has nothing to do with a QB.

As far as we know, the decision to say yes could be due to them liking a QB that might be available in that range or the need to potentially trade up a little to draft one they really like.

Even taking Loomis' statement at face value about keeping two picks doesn't mean one isn't a QB.

We will know in a few hours but right now there's no reason to disqualify QB as a potential pick and lots of reasons to think it's on table.

Sure. I'm not saying they won't take a QB if he is BPA, I'm just saying I think it's unlikely they will use both firsts to trade up to get a QB. It seems more likely that if they liked a QB enough to give up 2 or more 1st round picks, they would have been actively seeking a trade up. An likely seeking a trade up into the top 5. The fact that Philly had to call them for the deal indicates to me that they didn't have a QB that they liked enough to move up into the top 5 or top 10 for. I think they still might like a guy enough to take him at 16 or 19, but with the Philly trade just being done because the opportunity presented itself, it seems unlike they use two firsts to move up into the top 5 or 10 for a QB.

So, while I do think QB is on the table as a pick at 16, 19, 49, etc. the fact that Philly initiated the trade for a second 1st round pick indicates to me that there is no plan to use two firsts to move into the top 5 or top 10 for a QB. But, as you said, we will know soon.

 

[MatthewV]

So, while I do think QB is on the table as a pick at 16, 19, 49, etc. the fact that Philly initiated the trade for a second 1st round pick indicates to me that there is no plan to use two firsts to move into the top 5 or top 10 for a QB. But, as you said, we will know soon.

Okay, I see your thinking.