Rebuilding strategy, forty-niners or saints?

[longtime lurker]

John Lynch explains why 49ers parted ways with so many players in free agency: 'Big things coming our way'

 

[SaintStephen1]

IMHO Niners with their method will get back to deep playoff runs sooner than Saints. They will have shot at at franchise QB sooner.

 

[St. Geezy]

IMHO Niners with their method will get back to deep playoff runs sooner than Saints. They will have shot at at franchise QB sooner.

Wait, I was told they already have their franchise QB.

 

[SaintStephen1]

Pick up a guard in FA and a vetran X and/or a stating caliber CB, then get in the draft and trade back a couple times and hit on a late first rounder like we did with Ram and Cam.
Pick up a couple bosses in rounds 2 like MT and McCoy, then steal two first round talents in the 3rd round like we did with AK and Trey Henderson. Find a guy in the 4th with
the talent level of CGJ, Onyemata, or Anzalone, then shock the universe in the late rounds and find a gem like Colston. Better yet... find a Purdy.

Piece of cake. I wanna be GM. Mostly for the money, but it seems fun and easy.

I like your plan espousing for some time now to trade down in each of the first three rounds for the next two drafts thereby doubling their picks.

 

[Rexman100]

Sorry, I do remember you stating this earlier. I had forgotten. Too much age and too many concussions lol.

Thank you for repeating. I sure would LOVE LOVE LOVE them to trade up and get Ward! Go for the gusto, not smart, I know.

Next to the team winning the Super Bowl in my lifetime (check) I’d love to see the team draft a QB high before I leave this big old rock.

I would too. By trading up for Ward it would show that its a KM's staff decision and a decision that KM would risk his career against. Also the move would follow the normal procedure when you change staffs. The new coach normally gets his own ride or die QB. I also like the player in Ward. He's got the "it" factor. He's similar to Shadeur in ability, but Ward seems to have a better grip on how long to extend a play. Or know when a play is over, compared to Shadeur. Id be happy with either. But especially happy if one of them falls to us at 9 and the staff literally selects him within 10 seconds of their time allotted. When i look at the rest of the Qbs in the draft there is only 2 that have abilities that Rattler doesn't have, and thats elite escape ability. With that said, i wouldn't be upset with Tyler Shaugh as he's similar to Rattler but has the elite height you want at QB. I hope we find a way to come out of this draft with one of them

 

[St. Widge]

I would too. By trading up for Ward it would show that its a KM's staff decision and a decision that KM would risk his career against. Also the move would follow the normal procedure when you change staffs. The new coach normally gets his own ride or die QB. I also like the player in Ward. He's got the "it" factor. He's similar to Shadeur in ability, but Ward seems to have a better grip on how long to extend a play. Or know when a play is over, compared to Shadeur. Id be happy with either. But especially happy if one of them falls to us at 9 and the staff literally selects him within 10 seconds of their time allotted. When i look at the rest of the Qbs in the draft there is only 2 that have abilities that Rattler doesn't have, and thats elite escape ability. With that said, i wouldn't be upset with Tyler Shaugh as he's similar to Rattler but has the elite height you want at QB. I hope we find a way to come out of this draft with one of them

FWIW, Underhill talked to several NFL scouts who said Rattler would be behind Dart if he was in this draft. Some had Rattler 4th and some had him behind either the Louisville QB and somebody else that I can't recall. So it sounds like Rattler would be around QB #4 or #5 if he was in this draft.

He also said that the Saints "love" Ward.

 

[Rexman100]

FWIW, Underhill talked to several NFL scouts who said Rattler would be behind Dart if he was in this draft. Some had Rattler 4th and some had him behind either the Louisville QB and somebody else that I can't recall. So it sounds like Rattler would be around QB #4 or #5 if he was in this draft.

He also said that the Saints "love" Ward.

I have Rattler 3rd/4th as well. Ward, Shadeur, Shaugh, Rattler. I also heard that from Nick Underhill, but i don't give it much weight because its lazy. Because Rattler has shown that he can do it in the NFL. The Saints did not lose any games because of Rattler. Rattler didnt win you any games, either. But did we conveniently forget that Rattler started his first couple of games over Haener, because he ran for his life better. And because he had more practice running for his life in college. Rattler looked as poised, running for his life, than Haener/Carr did without pressure. Also Rattler had a ton of drops. If anything Rattler shouldve moved up on their boards, ESPECIALLY over Dart. For all we know, Ward, Sanders, Dart and Shaugh can straight up bust under the NFL lights, where we know Rattler wont.

 

[texasjefe]

The 49ers draft well and get a lot of comp picks. They have 11 selection this year. They let guys go and reload through the draft.

I had not read this thread before, but I don't buy Guillermo's OP where one can compare the tracks of the Saints, and 49ers who are supposedly "rebuilding."

The Niners are not rebuilding. They've got their QB and they need to manage the jump from rookie contract to 2nd contract. I like Brock Purdy and I liked him at Iower State. He's a perfect example of the differences between the 49ers and Saints pre-Moore. The Niners staff seems to be working hard to the very end of the draft. The Saints, conversely, have been of the mind to trade away their late picks, or disregard them as improbable to land a spot on our mediocre roster. Lazy!

Of course we as Saints fans look at the Niners and feel like it's monumental when they are moving out players like Deebo and Greenlaw. But they are just more aggressive and disciplined than the Saints about standard of play at each position, and disciplined succession planning with cap and talent.

While the Niners have not won a Super Bowl in 30 years, they are still far better and more experienced than the Saints at turning over rosters quickly and being a contender. The Saints are trying to build a new contender for the first time, and it's a hard wall to break through, just as winning a Super Bowl seemed impossible for so long.

 

[Whodat GT]

We are watching two different strategies right now on rebuilding.



New Orleans is riding the wave of the salary cap. They were not able to release Derek Carr because they think he is the best option to build around, and also because of cap consequences.

On this point you are making, I don't know if they think Carr is the best option to build around. He is the best option at QB this year, and by all accounts they could move on from him next year if they wanted to. He doesn't seem like the QB of the future unless he shows something else this year. In any case, he doesn't seem like he can elevate the play around him and the days of the Saints D being formidable are long gone, so the offense has to pull its weight too.

But there is something else to be said about Moore's strategy. He is the anti-Payton in the sense that he doesn't want to sacrifice the overall makeup of the team or the cap in order to accelerate his imprint on the team. He is even bringing in former players that were cut by the Allen regime, and values the veteran leadership in the team. He is being consistent with the mantra of working with what you got, and then some.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

SF's bottom is going to fall out faster, but the bounce back is whats more important. I just don't know (not enough info....tbd) if our approach of a soft fall is going to propel us to where some of us fans expect to be.

 

[texasjefe]

It does not have to be a race. 49ers have more pressure on them because they have the QB, plus McCaffrey, and they were just in the Super Bowl 13 months ago. They traded Deebo but they have Brandon Aiyuk returning along with young Pearsall. Kittle is still there. Greenlaw missed the season anyway. I love his play but they lowballed him, he said no, and Sean Payton reeled him in.

The Saints in Moore year 1 just need to play better, show a difference in play relative to new coaching, and solidify as many roles on the team, since there's so much role confusion and instability with the injuries and roster turnover. They need to finally be a team that is improving by season's end, not cratering.

 

[DSnfla]

Winning 10 games a year as you look for your franchise QB is borderline impossible and an almost ridiculous standard to hope for. Saints haven't won 10 games since Brees left and we also had multiple sub 10 win seasons with Brees.

Much more realistic to win 6-8 games a year and be stuck in purgatory like the majority of teams.

Because our issue is not just that we are a mediocre team. We are a mediocre team that is incredibly expensive and old.

Agree with you on this one. There really isn't one way that works better than the other. Everything centers around drafting well. Which despite our tragic drafting the last 5ish years I believe Fuaga was a great start.

The Ravens went 5-11,8-8 and 9-7 in the yrs up till they drafted Jackson @ 32
The Packers went 10-7 ,7-9 , 6-9-1 and the the yr they drafted Love @ 26 they went 13-3
There are 2 examples in the last 7-8 yrs . Hardly borderline impossible

 

[jasonsw]

49ers play in a bad division much like the Saints do. In the NFC WEST i only see maybe the Rams being decent. AZ, SEA are going to be bad.

Both teams have a chance to be decent and be a playoff contender. With 7 playoff spots it doesn't take much to be in the mix.

 

[St. Geezy]

49ers play in a bad division much like the Saints do. In the NFC WEST i only see maybe the Rams being decent. AZ, SEA are going to be bad.

Both teams have a chance to be decent and be a playoff contender. With 7 playoff spots it doesn't take much to be in the mix.

Agreed…the whole NFC except maybe Philly and a healthy Detroit is suspect. Even the NFC North has fraudulent tendencies.