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[FWtex]

Uh? Yeah?

He's a good athlete. Period. His athletic ability showed. What "scheme" he played in is irrelevant. Either the guy can turn and run or he can't. Period



Really? Who? Let's see the list.

LOL, your nuts. So what was showing was just his athletic ability? I can go down to the park and grab guys with athletic ability and they would be nothing compared to any of those guys at the combine.

As someone else beat me to it, Jason David has tons of athletic ability and he did not convert very well to the man defense. I recall numerous occasions of you gloating how good JD (and others) looked at training camp.

What about the number of CB people bring up on here as a possibility only to have those players shot down because they are a cover 2 CB? If you had two equally talented players, one from a zones scheme and one from a man scheme, which one are you going to choose?

 

[Saints382]

DRC had a broad jump of.... 10' 11".

Vertical of 38.5 ....

He just blew out the combine.

 

[LSSpam]

LOL, your nuts. So what was showing was just his athletic ability? I can go down to the park and grab guys with athletic ability

No, you couldn't. Not like that, no.

What about the number of CB people bring up on here as a possibility only to have those players shot down because they are a cover 2 CB? If you had two equally talented players, one from a zones scheme and one from a man scheme, which one are you going to choose?

You don't understand what you're talking about.

The core problem with projecting someone from say a Tampa-2 scheme to a bump-and-run scheme is that the Tampa-2 scheme doesn't require physical attributes that are needed for a bump-and-run type coverage. It potentially "hides" defects. Namely in a Tampa-2 the CB isn't going to have to turn and run very much if at all. So when you hear people talk about "zone" CB's, the word "hips" usually follows.

The issue here though is we know DRC has "the hips" for man coverage. Or, well, it sure as hell looks like he does. What "scheme" he played in then is in large part irrelevant because it's not his physical ability that is in question. He's a physical freak.

You could say "well what about his ability to contribute sooner", and that might be a fair point. Experience counts for a CB.

But DRC came from Tennessee Tech. I mean come on. Does it matter if he covered the recievers at Chattanooga or Eastern Kentucky in man-coverage? The gap in talent was almost certainly so great he had sloppy technique anyways. No matter how you slice it he's going to have to make up significant ground in terms of coaching and experience. Again, irrelevant.


How's that list coming?

 

[primadox]

DRC had a broad jump of.... 10' 11".

Vertical of 38.5 ....

He just blew out the combine.

You know, normally I'd be more cautiously excited about his combine performance since he does come from a small school, but his combine #'s are just confirming what we all saw at the Sr. Bowl.

 

[BoNcHiE]

LOL, your nuts. So what was showing was just his athletic ability? I can go down to the park and grab guys with athletic ability and they would be nothing compared to any of those guys at the combine.

As someone else beat me to it, Jason David has tons of athletic ability and he did not convert very well to the man defense. I recall numerous occasions of you gloating how good JD (and others) looked at training camp.

What about the number of CB people bring up on here as a possibility only to have those players shot down because they are a cover 2 CB? If you had two equally talented players, one from a zones scheme and one from a man scheme, which one are you going to choose?

And as has already been pointed out, JD's struggles had little to do with the scheme. He struggled in the Cover 2 all year. All teams play zone and man. He had mental breakdowns that put him out of position, not coverage problems. When he was actually in coverage he was fine. JD also suffers from being severly undersized. Hes 5'8" 165 pounds.

The way some people talk about zone vs. man corners you'd think they are two different spieces of human or something, as if no zone corner could ever be good at man coverage.

 

[cdogg]

Have the Saints ever drafted the guy that most on the board wanted them to draft?

 

[CargoJon]

No, you couldn't. Not like that, no.




You don't understand what you're talking about.

The core problem with projecting someone from say a Tampa-2 scheme to a bump-and-run scheme is that the Tampa-2 scheme doesn't require physical attributes that are needed for a bump-and-run type coverage. It potentially "hides" defects. Namely in a Tampa-2 the CB isn't going to have to turn and run very much if at all. So when you hear people talk about "zone" CB's, the word "hips" usually follows.

The issue here though is we know DRC has "the hips" for man coverage. Or, well, it sure as hell looks like he does. What "scheme" he played in then is in large part irrelevant because it's not his physical ability that is in question. He's a physical freak.

You could say "well what about his ability to contribute sooner", and that might be a fair point. Experience counts for a CB.

But DRC came from Tennessee Tech. I mean come on. Does it matter if he covered the recievers at Chattanooga or Eastern Kentucky in man-coverage? The gap in talent was almost certainly so great he had sloppy technique anyways. No matter how you slice it he's going to have to make up significant ground in terms of coaching and experience. Again, irrelevant.


How's that list coming?

Does this mean we'd be better off picking somebody with slightly less athletic ability, but more experience with more quality competition with more refined technique?

Again, not arguing, I think the guy's a good player. Just looking at it from a "Saints fit" standpoint.

 

[BigRonJon]

With the Patriots releasing Colvin, I think they take Gholston to fill that spot and bring pressure.

 

[BoNcHiE]

Does this mean we'd be better off picking somebody with slightly less athletic ability, but more experience with more quality competition with more refined technique?

Again, not arguing, I think the guy's a good player. Just looking at it from a "Saints fit" standpoint.

Technique to play at the NFL level has to be taught either way. I'd assume thats the reason so many rookie corners struggle regardless of where they came from and how good they were in college.

 

[bsteele3]

Have the Saints ever drafted the guy that most on the board wanted them to draft?

I haven't been here that long, but probably not. I recall being bummed multiple times in past drafts. But the fact that He said he had great interviews with both New Orleans and New England means he's at least on their radar.

Does anyone have his 10 yard or 20 yard times?

 

[primadox]

Have the Saints ever drafted the guy that most on the board wanted them to draft?

I can think of one!

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[LSSpam]

Have the Saints ever drafted the guy that most on the board wanted them to draft?

Sort of.

Robert Meachem He was the winner of the Saints poll in the 2007 "Experts" Mock Draft.

 

[BoNcHiE]

Have the Saints ever drafted the guy that most on the board wanted them to draft?

Reggie Bush. Meachem, despite later frustrations, was popular on the board. Most on here though the Brown pickup was a great move.

 

[d3vanj]

i want this guy

 

[CargoJon]

Reggie Bush. Meachem, despite later frustrations, was popular on the board. Most on here though the Brown pickup was a great move.

I'm just curious, because this was before my time. What was the opinion of Sully on here prior to and after the Saints drafted him?