Saints at the top of Davante Adams’ wish list [Raiders trade Adams to Jets for conditional 3rd ; Jets paying Adams’ entire remaining salary] (10 Viewers)

[Clintonrebel]

Adams quit on his last team, quite vocally. Not sure he is worth the trouble, not at his age anyway.

 

[DaveXA]

Do you know what that contract restructure looks like? My guess is some of his salary being pushed into a signing bonus that they're going to eat next year when they have $55 million in cap space.

Despite your smart remarks, I'm sure you know which team couldn't do that.

You couldn't help yourself, lol.

Regardless, my point in making that comment was that Adams' contract was always going to get reworked, whether with us or any other team because his contract with the Raiders was not guaranteed and whatever team he goes to, he'd have to agree to a restructure. The contract was never going to prevent the trade. It's the draft pick and Raiders not picking up any of his salary that made a Saints trade untenable.

In any case, I'm relieved that Loomis didn't reach for Adams. We have bigger issues than WR.

 

[St. Widge]

“Thinking is overrated”

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/3gitJn28sQ

That's a joke, right? No GM would say "thinking is overrated", right?

 

[St. Widge]

Exactly. They didn't want to eat any of the salary and we flat can't afford it. All of the media smoke about the Saints being in the mix was just maneuvering.

Oh, we could have afforded it but we would have had to have done some really dumb things with older players to make it work. Things they should not be doing these days. It was worth it with prime Brees and some can kicking to keep good young players makes sense, but this thing where they extend 30 plus year-old players and then add void years that go well into their 30s has to stop now. We aren't in a Championship window now and we shouldn't act like we are.

What we need to do is get back closer to cap compliant, or well under it, so that if Rattler is the guy, or we find another QB who is the guy, we will have the money and draft picks to build a team around them. Loomis started that process 3 years ago but it has been slow and slowed greatly by the Carr contract. But it needs to be accelerated now. I'm not talking about tearing it all down, but I do think it means walking away from Jordan, Davis, Lattimore, Adebo, and Kamara. It also likely means you don't take the chance on signing Olave to a new deal due to his concussion history and you have to look at whether Mathieu's contract is worth it on this team.

I think they also need to see if there is a way to move on from Carr if Rattler turns out to be good.

 

[DaveXA]

Oh, we could have afforded it but we would have had to have done some really dumb things with older players to make it work. Things they should not be doing these days. It was worth it with prime Brees and some can kicking to keep good young players makes sense, but this thing where they extend 30 plus year-old players and then add void years that go well into their 30s has to stop now. We aren't in a Championship window now and we shouldn't act like we are.

What we need to do is get back closer to cap compliant, or well under it, so that if Rattler is the guy, or we find another QB who is the guy, we will have the money and draft picks to build a team around them. Loomis started that process 3 years ago but it has been slow and slowed greatly by the Carr contract. But it needs to be accelerated now. I'm not talking about tearing it all down, but I do think it means walking away from Jordan, Davis, Lattimore, Adebo, and Kamara. It also likely means you don't take the chance on signing Olave to a new deal due to his concussion history and you have to look at whether Mathieu's contract is worth it on this team.

I think they also need to see if there is a way to move on from Carr if Rattler turns out to be good.

Well stated. I agree 100%.

 

[BreesusSaves]

That's a joke, right? No GM would say "thinking is overrated", right?

I mean do you expect a GM who fired his HC mid-season and just traded for a 31 year old WR while taking on his full remaining contract while the team is 2-4 to be smart?

edit: forgot he's the owner, not the GM... brutal. There's a video clip of it.

 

[St. Geezy]

I'm w/ Jordan and Allen, I don't think they quit, they just likely realized things were futile on top of being gassed.

So what was the result of them realizing things were futile and them being gassed?

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

I'm w/ Jordan and Allen, I don't think they quit, they just likely realized things were futile on top of being gassed.

LOL what???

He definitely quit on his team.

 

[BreesusSaves]

Oh, we could have afforded it but we would have had to have done some really dumb things with older players to make it work. Things they should not be doing these days. It was worth it with prime Brees and some can kicking to keep good young players makes sense, but this thing where they extend 30 plus year-old players and then add void years that go well into their 30s has to stop now. We aren't in a Championship window now and we shouldn't act like we are.

What we need to do is get back closer to cap compliant, or well under it, so that if Rattler is the guy, or we find another QB who is the guy, we will have the money and draft picks to build a team around them. Loomis started that process 3 years ago but it has been slow and slowed greatly by the Carr contract. But it needs to be accelerated now. I'm not talking about tearing it all down, but I do think it means walking away from Jordan, Davis, Lattimore, Adebo, and Kamara. It also likely means you don't take the chance on signing Olave to a new deal due to his concussion history and you have to look at whether Mathieu's contract is worth it on this team.

I think they also need to see if there is a way to move on from Carr if Rattler turns out to be good.

To add on to this, if the Saints stop can kicking immediately and focus on building for the future, the soonest they'd have a truly clean cap is 2027.

 

[SirLoinSaint64]

Great move by the Raiders.

 

[St. Geezy]

To add on to this, if the Saints stop can kicking immediately and focus on building for the future, the soonest they'd have a truly clean cap is 2027.

Define “clean cap,” and look at what would have to be done to keep it “clean,” and tell me how much different that is compared to what we are doing now.

It all comes down to the coaches and players you choose, and we have failed miserably there. Football games aren’t won on financial budget spreadsheets.

Poor drafting and a (likely) bad decision at HC is what has us where we are, along of course with injuries. We literally signed the league’s highest paid free agent a year ago; finding money isn’t the problem, it’s what we are doing with it and who we are selecting that’s killing us.

Think of the cap as more of a never ending rolling five year budget accounting project rather than a one year/single season thing.

 

[efil4stnias]

I'm w/ Jordan and Allen, I don't think they quit, they just likely realized things were futile on top of being gassed.

ummm...so how is that not quitting???

i mean, when you realize giving it your all isnt going to work ( futile ) , so you just "pack it in", what term would you use to describe that action?

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

ummm...so how is that not quitting???

i mean, when you realize giving it your all isnt going to work ( futile ) , so you just "pack it in", what term would you use to describe that action?

I don't think that's quitting, I'd call that throttling down lol. I mean everyone has been cool w/ Chase Young doing it when the QB is too far away etc. His effort is there until he does't believe the effort will make a difference.

So...the defene throttled down. Meh that's not quitting, and the lockeroom isn't lost.

So what was the result of them realizing things were futile and them being gassed?

See above

 

[St. Widge]

I mean do you expect a GM who fired his HC mid-season and just traded for a 31 year old WR while taking on his full remaining contract while the team is 2-4 to be smart?

edit: forgot he's the owner, not the GM... brutal. There's a video clip of it.

Yeah I thought it was the GM too. Honestly I don't know the name of the Jets GM and I didn't know the name of their owner until now.

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

Yeah I thought it was the GM too. Honestly I don't know the name of the Jets GM and I didn't know the name of their owner until now.

You didn't know the name of the Jets owner? A guy named Woody Johnson?!? That's a hard name to forget.