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St. Widge said:
You don't really believe that Gayle or Loomis wrote those press releases from the Saints do you? I'm sure Greg Bensel wrote both statements so neither is intended to go against the party line.

If these were off the cuff comments at a press conference or interview maybe things would slip out. But not in an official press release from the team.
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Nor would the Saints release a presser which showed dissent. I mean, honestly.
 
Dennis Allen had coleslaw energy. Nobody requests it. It is tolerated to tag along with better options and under no circumstances should it be the prime menu option.
Allen was an above average defensive coordinator who never should have been a head coach in New Orleans or Oakland. The man can coach and draft defensive backs at an elite level. Other than that coleslaw.

Allen was the leftover after Payton wanted to move on to coach Tom Brady in Miami to cling to this mistaken notion of competitiveness under the codeword of continuity. There was an institutional denial about the strength of the roster in the elder years of Brees. The franchise felt this awkward departure of their Superbowl coach was the anomaly to a team to continue as if Payton were interchangeable. (i.e. the stewards of Carmichael and Allen could continue a contender.) Neither could and it was obvious to many outside the organization.

What should have occurred then, must occur now only with more interest on the salary cap credit card. This team needs a trash season to clean up its salary cap and target the right rebuild.
If Arch Manning can play, tanking for the 2026 draft makes a lot of sense. The roster needs are abundant and the age in Cam Jordan and and Tyrann Mathieu need to leave next year's roster. Demario Davis maybe has another year. Kamara and Hill are on borrowed time.
Our best two young wide receivers need new contracts and both have injury concerns. Olave's concussions may be a career threatening issue ala Tua.

Lattimore is our best defensive player but the Saints have Adebo in need of a contract and drafted Kool-Aid. The cap says let Lattimore go and stay younger.
This team needs a dominant pass rusher to replace Cam Jordan. Chase Young has been mid. The Saints need two starters at safety. We need a guard and wide receiver depth.

The problem is not just at quarterback and I pray the Saints do not draft a quarterback in 2025 round one given we cannot cut Carr without major cap penalties, the prospect of Manning in 2026 and what that would mean to this city, and the multitude of other roster needs.
 
St. Widge said:
No. Not seriously. It was a joke. And you having to even ask is an idiotic question.

Vrabel is an okay coach, but not what we need. He another retread, conservative, defensive minded coach, and he had mediocre results. We need more than that.
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Wanna talk about idiocy? Go back and look at my post history about this regime vs. yours.
 
meily said:
Please no more inhouse hiring's.
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Hopefully, the Rooney Rule (whatever one makes of it) and the scrutiny that comes with it will require the Saints to do a full, real search for a (non-interim) head coach in January. Rather than just interviewing Brian Flores and then promoting someone in house.
 
sainthood said:
Dennis Allen had coleslaw energy. Nobody requests it. It is tolerated to tag along with better options and under no circumstances should it be the prime menu option.
Allen was an above average defensive coordinator who never should have been a head coach in New Orleans or Oakland. The man can coach and draft defensive backs at an elite level. Other than that coleslaw.

Allen was the leftover after Payton wanted to move on to coach Tom Brady in Miami to cling to this mistaken notion of competitiveness under the codeword of continuity. There was an institutional denial about the strength of the roster in the elder years of Brees. The franchise felt this awkward departure of their Superbowl coach was the anomaly to a team to continue as if Payton were interchangeable. (i.e. the stewards of Carmichael and Allen could continue a contender.) Neither could and it was obvious to many outside the organization.

What should have occurred then, must occur now only with more interest on the salary cap credit card. This team needs a trash season to clean up its salary cap and target the right rebuild.
If Arch Manning can play, tanking for the 2026 draft makes a lot of sense. The roster needs are abundant and the age in Cam Jordan and and Tyrann Mathieu need to leave next year's roster. Demario Davis maybe has another year. Kamara and Hill are on borrowed time.
Our best two young wide receivers need new contracts and both have injury concerns. Olave's concussions may be a career threatening issue ala Tua.

Lattimore is our best defensive player but the Saints have Adebo in need of a contract and drafted Kool-Aid. The cap says let Lattimore go and stay younger.
This team needs a dominant pass rusher to replace Cam Jordan. Chase Young has been mid. The Saints need two starters at safety. We need a guard and wide receiver depth.

The problem is not just at quarterback and I pray the Saints do not draft a quarterback in 2025 round one given we cannot cut Carr without major cap penalties, the prospect of Manning in 2026 and what that would mean to this city, and the multitude of other roster needs.
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I see where you're going
 
St. Widge said:
I have. Lots of idiotic comments from you.
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silverbullet said:
I'm accused of being negative. I'm just realistic about this team.

The two most important things on a contending NFL team are:

1. Elite, top 5 QB
2. Top 10 HC

At best, Carr is maybe around 15. I personally, have him in the 20s due to lack of leadership and intangibles. He's like the anti Jake Delhomme for example. Allen is definitely a bottom 5 if not worst HC in the league IMO.

But what about the Defense!?

It's old.

Davis and Jordan are ancient. Granderson is a fine player if he's your No. 2 DE and you have a stud pass rusher opposite. You don't. All hope rests on an oft-injured Chase Young on his third team in his short career. That's hope. Maybe it works out, but objectively, if he was that good, he would still be on Washington or SF.

Your CBs have some talent but injury issues. Safeties are either old or meh.

The offense is just a trainwreck.

I count 4 players who I consider starting caliber: Kamara (who is slowing down), Olave, McCoy, and I'll throw the rookie LT a bone and give him the benefit of the doubt. Shaheed is a fine No. 3 WR and Hill is a great gadget player. But you have no starting caliber LG, RG or RT. No No. 2 WR. No starter level TEs. And like I said, a middle of the pack QB, who isn't exactly the most inspiring guy.

Maybe, maybe a great HC could eek out a winning season with this group. Dennis Allen? Yeah right. The only question IMO, is if he makes it through the year.
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Like this one from before the season? Find one thing wrong. Want me to dig up your genius predictions? Stupidest thing I've said is defending Jameis.
 
fishing4food said:
Come on bro, you're trolling. No need for that type of response
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It was a joke man. Vrabel is an okay coach. But, as I said above, he's a conservative defensive coach that had mediocre results and seemed to have his teams play below their talent level. Plus, he's another retread and I think we need someone younger with fresh ideas.

It's nothing against you and I didn't mean it to come off as trolling. I meant it as a joke but sorry if it didn't come off that way.
 
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