Breaking! Saints fired Dennis Allen (5 Viewers)

[2009ring]

Yes, it makes so much more sense to keep him around.....

1) Maybe true, maybe not, you have no way of knowing.....
2) This season is lost anyways, and DA is part of the reason why, it's time to find the next coach who maybe a keeper.....

Hope is worth celebrating for some....

We get a head start on the rest of the league in our coaching search also. All the openings from Black Monday will be behind us in line....

 

[St. Widge]

Saints have some trades to finalize tomorrow, before they let Loomis go. Loomis gone on Wednesday, LOL.

In all seriousness, I think you are correct. Loomis been here 23 years and has been quite valuable to the Saints organization through that time. He's fantastic with the operational side of the business, and the financial side, but sorely lacking in the personnel skills. When CSP left, Loomis was exposed for those shortcomings.

DA had to go, because there's no way to demote a HC and have a new guy take charge. That's a recipe to split the locker room, unless the HC is HATED that much; and you don't wait this long to fire a guy who's hated that much. GM is a different dynamic. It's easy enough to "promote" them out of the GM position, especially when you're nearing "retirement age" and have served the organization well over your tenure.

At this point, Mrs. Benson is doing the things normally required of a GM, so I find it curious that ML isn't doing these things. I'm speculating that he's focused on the Tuesday trade deadline, and that he'll be transitioned out of GM by end of season. Probably already "out", in practice, but not official until end of season. Khai Harley is literally the SAME GUY as ML, and I'll bet he can do everything that ML can do for the remainder of the season. Between Ireland, Mueller, and Harley, the GM responsibilities can be divvied up and/or assumed. But the fact that we're hearing reports that the OWNER reached out to players; and the OWNER traded e-mails with players; and the OWNER fired DA....these are ALL jobs I would expect the GM to do. Considered collectively, this indicates to me that ML was "iced out". Time will tell.

If they move on from Loomis, I hope they don't go with some combination of Harley, Mueller, Zeigler, or Ireland. If they are going to make a change then bring in totally new blood. I like Harley, but he's a numbers and contracts guy just like Loomis. I don't see much point in just moving to another numbers and contract guy and sticking with the same personnel evaluators when that really hasn't worked.

If they want to go with Harley as GM and bring in new heads of scouting, I guess I 'd be okay with that but if they are moving on from Loomis, I'd rather a talent evaluator GM with either Harley or Loomis in an executive VP role handling the money, cap, and contracts.

 

[B4YOU]

I keep seeing people bring this up

Yes it’s true but It was 23 points not 53

We gave up zero turnovers. Young with a 63.1 Passing Rating (Rattler 70.7) is arguably the second worst QB in the league behind Richardson. Young’s most points this year before us was 14 and he was averaging 8.8 points per game. We gave up 2 more scores than his highest scoring game this season. Players were visibly and vocally frustrated.

 

[platinumvinnyv]

Nah, he's become unhinged. It's more than disliking two people. He has issues and needs help. Though I bet if he and Antonio Brown did a podcast together, it would be a glorious train wreck.

Putting MT on the same level is Crazy work.

He Cussed out SP. Who hasnt
He Punched Chauncey Guardner Johnson. Who hasnt
He Slapped someons phone who refused to leave his property
He Vents on Twitter in a time period when every vents on twitter.

Easily Antoginized is not AB level crazy

 

[Covington Saint]

Aaron Glenn and Ray Agnew package.

 

[Broad St. Saint]

Maybe we hire Vance Joseph as our head coach and then Payton hires DA as his DC?

I'm joking, but Vance Joseph is from the Wank and played QB at Shaw back when they were really good.

wait, what? is "the Wank" some sort of short hand for the West Bank now? (the one across from most of NOLA, not the one at war)

edit: I am at work and no way am I googling that

 

[DaveXA]

NSFW Language

I'm gonna buy his jersey. Love his comments!

 

[St. Widge]

wait, what? is "the Wank" some sort of short hand for the West Bank now? (the one across from most of NOLA, not the one at war)

edit: I am at work and no way am I googling that

The Wank has always been shorthand for the Westbank.

 

[DaveXA]

I heard that @guidomerkinsrules has talked crap about you for a decade. Like from head to toe, Dave. I also heard that someone messaged his address to you. I’m disappointed that you all are trying to stir things up like this, but I’m just the messenger here.

I mean, he lives in a houseboat in the swamp. It's probably a bad address, or worse, a relative's house.

 

[DaveXA]

Yeah, compost is what I suggested to LimeyJohn. Halloween is over so too late for porch pranks. Or is that not really a seasonal thing?

It's never too late for porch pranks. Just be careful which porch you prank if you value your life.

 

[Hedon James]

If they move on from Loomis, I hope they don't go with some combination of Harley, Mueller, Zeigler, or Ireland. If they are going to make a change then bring in totally new blood. I like Harley, but he's a numbers and contracts guy just like Loomis. I don't see much point in just moving to another numbers and contract guy and sticking with the same personnel evaluators when that really hasn't worked.

If they want to go with Harley as GM and bring in new heads of scouting, I guess I 'd be okay with that but if they are moving on from Loomis, I'd rather a talent evaluator GM with either Harley or Loomis in an executive VP role handling the money, cap, and contracts.

Totally agree. I was just thinking about remaining 2024 schedule.

I don't want any of those guys being Saints GM in 2025 forward. Mueller and Ireland are retreads with failed GM stints on their resume. Harley IS the same guy as ML. Zeigler doesn't ring a bell....is that the former Raiders exec? yeah, that's a hard pass for me too....

Find me a PERSONNEL guy. I'd be looking at the Ravens, Steelers, and Packers for that....teams with sustained success across multiple HC tenures. JMO...

 

[Broad St. Saint]

Yep Carr was the reason he threw a brick at someone’s windshield!

I loved MT as a Saint, but it would not surprise me if he's dealing with CTE from some of the hits he took on those tough contested catches he always seemed to make.

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

Putting MT on the same level is Crazy work.

He Cussed out SP. Who hasnt
He Punched Chauncey Guardner Johnson. Who hasnt
He Slapped someons phone who refused to leave his property
He Vents on Twitter in a time period when every vents on twitter.

Easily Antoginized is not AB level crazy

I didn't say he was on AB's level, I said a podcast with the two of them would be a glorious train wreck. That doesn't mean I think MT is as bad as AB. He's no where close to being that bad. I just think the two of them would be fun to watch.

 

[platinumvinnyv]

I didn't say he was on AB's level, I said a podcast with the two of them would be a glorious train wreck. That doesn't mean I think MT is as bad as AB. He's no where close to being that bad. I just think the two of them would be fun to watch.

You got it LOL If you say someone is crazy then put them in the same sentence with someone else who's crazy, i feel its kind of implied, I wouldnt be like I want to see a podcast with Lebron and Michael Jordan then be like no not to hear basketball just because I think it be interesting to see what they life is about. Thats just me though

 

[DaveXA]

Loomis is not heavily involved with the Pelicans.

Yep, no role there since 2019.