Saints Need an Offensive Weapon (1 Viewer)

[JackDiesel]

I absolutely agree this is 3+ year turnaround. Which makes even less sense to select a RB that high.

Should tell that to Payton. He came in and took a RB as high as he possibly could. He understood you need playmakers and you can't pass on talent when your team has so little of it.

Running backs are producing at a high level well into their second contract. CMC led SF to a NFC Championship game 8 years after being drafted. Barkley came just shy of the single season rushing record 7 years after being drafted. Derrick Henry is still bulldozing people after 9 years. That's a long time to be able to rely on your running game while the QB situation gets sorted.

 

[JackDiesel]

We've been drafting offensive lineman for years, it's time for a playmaker

There's some decent guards in FA. Instead of spending money on guys like Juwan Johnson we need to sign a proven guard. Then draft depth and Ruiz's eventual replacement in the mid rounds.

Our bargain signing of Lucas Patrick and then not adding any depth was probably the biggest Achilles heal of the team this year minus Denis Allen.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Should tell that to Payton. He came in and took a RB as high as he possibly could. He understood you need playmakers and you can't pass on talent when your team has so little of it.

Running backs are producing at a high level well into their second contract. CMC led SF to a NFC Championship game 8 years after being drafted. Barkley came just shy of the single season rushing record 7 years after being drafted. Derrick Henry is still bulldozing people after 9 years. That's a long time to be able to rely on your running game while the QB situation gets sorted.

This. I think you explained you better then I have, but I keep stressing the same point. We absolutely can't pass on Jeanty if he's there, unless someone is going to dump a mountain of picks on us.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

Should tell that to Payton. He came in and took a RB as high as he possibly could. He understood you need playmakers and you can't pass on talent when your team has so little of it.

Running backs are producing at a high level well into their second contract. CMC led SF to a NFC Championship game 8 years after being drafted. Barkley came just shy of the single season rushing record 7 years after being drafted. Derrick Henry is still bulldozing people after 9 years. That's a long time to be able to rely on your running game while the QB situation gets sorted.

Reggie Bush is a great example of a RB picked high (back when that was the norm) and did NOT live up to expectations.

Now it didn't matter because SP landed a future HOF QB in Drew Brees.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

There's some decent guards in FA. Instead of spending money on guys like Juwan Johnson we need to sign a proven guard. Then draft depth and Ruiz's eventual replacement in the mid rounds.

Our bargain signing of Lucas Patrick and then not adding any depth was probably the biggest Achilles heal of the team this year minus Denis Allen.

I think we need a Center also. Someone ideally who can play Guard but also slide inside if McCoy gets hurt or leaves for a bigger contract. Jake Majors would fit the bill.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Reggie Bush is a great example of a RB picked high (back when that was the norm) and did NOT live up to expectations.

Now it didn't matter because he landed a future HOF QB in Drew Brees.

You're right. He did not live up to expectations. I think I was his biggest critic. But he still served a massive purpose. He was an amazing decoy which helped take pressure off of Brees while he continued to get use to his reconstructed shoulder and create a consistent environment that allowed Brees to develop confidence. It's just odd because it was done in an unusual way, but if defenses blitzed, Bush was there for the dump off to make them pay and his skill set was still incredibly dangerous once he got the ball in space.

You don't land that kind of talent in mid-late rounds even at RB, and if you do, congratulations you found a Unicorn.

And to be fair to Bush, as soon as he switched to offensive zone run blocking scheme in Miami, he started looking more like his USC self. So we have to ask ourselves, how much of his disappointment here in NO was the coaching scheme fault. Mark Ingram was garbage in our blocking scheme as well until we switched to a zone blocking scheme in 2013. Our blocking scheme may be way Bush didn't have success in running plays but was profoundly dangerous on dump off passes, screens and splitting out wide.

 

[St. Widge]

You're right. He did not live up to expectations. I think I was his biggest critic. But he still served a massive purpose. He was an amazing decoy which helped take pressure off of Brees while he continued to get use to his reconstructed shoulder and create a consistent environment that allowed Brees to develop confidence. It's just odd because it was done in an unusual way, but if defenses blitzed, Bush was there for the dump off to make them pay and his skill set was still incredibly dangerous once he got the ball in space.

You don't land that kind of talent in mid-late rounds even at RB, and if you do, congratulations you found a Unicorn.

And to be fair to Bush, as soon as he switched to offensive zone run blocking scheme in Miami, he started looking more like his USC self. So we have to ask ourselves, how much of his disappointment here in NO was the coaching scheme fault. Mark Ingram was garbage in our blocking scheme as well until we switched to a zone blocking scheme in 2013. Our blocking scheme may be way Bush didn't have success in running plays but was profoundly dangerous on dump off passes, screens and splitting out wide.

Derek Henry, Alvin Kamara, Breece Hall, Kyren Williams, Jonathan Taylor, and Aaron Jones. All good to great current NFL RBs taken after the first round much. There sure seem to be a lot of unicorns out there and there are many more if we look at former NFL RBs. The unicorns are the RBs that are worth a top 10 pick.

If you think Jeanty is one of those unicorns, fine take him in the top 10. I don't think he is, but I could be wrong.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Derek Henry, Alvin Kamara, Breece Hall, Kyren Williams, Jonathan Taylor, and Aaron Jones. All good to great current NFL RBs taken after the first round much. There sure seem to be a lot of unicorns out there and there are many more if we look at former NFL RBs. The unicorns are the RBs that are worth a top 10 pick.

If you think Jeanty is one of those unicorns, fine take him in the top 10. I don't think he is, but I could be wrong.

Again, this arguement is invalid. Kyren Williams and Aaron Jones were selected around the same time as Tom Brady and Brock Purdy. Derek Henry, Breece Hall and Jonathan Taylor were all selected around the same time as Lamarr Jackson, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers and Jalen Hurts.

You're not going to wait till the 2nd+ round in hopes for franchise QB's, just because its happened before. Sean Payton proved this. He took a QB that was slated for the 2nd/3rd round 10th overall. He took Bush 2nd overall. Lions took Gibbs 12th overall.

You take what you think is great that's there for the taking.

 

[St. Widge]

Again, this arguement is invalid. Kyren Williams and Aaron Jones were selected around the same time as Tom Brady and Brock Purdy. Derek Henry, Breece Hall and Jonathan Taylor were all selected around the same time as Lamarr Jackson, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers and Jalen Hurts.

You're not going to wait till the 2nd+ round in hopes for franchise QB's, just because its happened before. Sean Payton proved this. He took a QB that was slated for the 2nd/3rd round 10th overall. He took Bush 2nd overall. Lions took Gibbs 12th overall.

You take what you think is great that's there for the taking.

The argument is not invalid. You're just moving the goalposts now. 2 of the currently best RBs in the NFL, Henry and Taylor, were taken after the first and there are many good to great starting RB in the NFL that were taken after the first.

If the team really think Jeanty is the BPA at 10, fine take him. But I personally don't think he will be.

 

[oodank]

The Saints need to replenish the DEFENSE. The biggest personnel losses will be DEFENSE. Fix the team down the middle that is your foundation.

DT/DL
OG
LB
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[St4ever]

I absolutely agree this is 3+ year turnaround. Which makes even less sense to select a RB that high.

I disagree, if you can get a great RB there then you have to!

Look at it this way AK was a third rounder but since then he has always been spoke of as should have been a first rounder. Would you have passed on AK or even Barkley in the first? How about a Derick Henry?. If it’s the right guy you get him and let him help build the new team.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

I disagree, if you can get a great RB there then you have to!

Look at it this way AK was a third rounder but since then he has always been spoke of as should have been a first rounder. Would you have passed on AK or even Barkley in the first? How about a Derick Henry?. If it’s the right guy you get him and let him help build the new team.

Look at Barley on the Giants versus this year on the Eagles and there's your answer. Or King Henry for the Titans vs the Ravens.

Cmon now guys.

You need to have a team built first to make a RB successful. It's exactly why Jeanty to the Cowboys makes so much sense.

 

[Snakehead]

Look at Barley on the Giants versus this year in the Eagles and there's your answer. Or King Henry for the Titans vs the Ravens.

Cmon now guys.

You need to have a team built first to make a RB successful. It's exactly why Jeanty to the Cowboys makes so much sense.

We didn't have a problem running the ball in weeks 1 and 2 when the O-line was healthy, or is that too far in the past for some to remember. The O-line can be fixed very easy in this draft, so adding a superstar RB1 at 10, then address the interior O-line in the middle rounds puts us being competitive a lot sooner than many think we can be. One of the best ideas on here lately is add a RG and LG and allow Ruiz to be the backup C and swing OG. He's young and signed. McCoy has missed multiple games 2 out of the last 3 seasons and O-lineman don't miss less games later in their career, they normally miss more. Having a legit backup at the interior O-line, especially center is huge.

 

[IlovemySaints]

AK is one of the highest paid RBs.

Reducing him to a bush/sproles role is just terrible asset management.

Not if he plays the whole year and score touchdowns