Saints Need an Offensive Weapon (1 Viewer)

[St4ever]

I don't think there are any "Jeanty haters" just people who see we have more holes to fill than RB which is a low priority position.

We all have to understand this will not be a one year turnaround! It’s going to take 2-3 years. We need playmakers as well as solid line. Taking a great player in the first is a must even if he’s not high on our list.

 

[St4ever]

BPA of course, but top needs are...

1) DT/DL
2) OG
3) S
4) WR

Jeanty is a good back worthy of a 1st round pick, but BSU's game vs. PSU is yet another confirmation that if your OL isn't winning, "offensive playmakers" are neutralized more often than not. Over 100 yards, but only 3.5 YPC.

I want to remind everyone of a few 1st round RB’s we have selected in the past. Let’s start with Duece because he was picked even though we already had a good Running back in Ricky! That worked out really well for us. Then let’s skip down to Mark who until recently was our leading rusher. Both guys were picked while we already had good backs and worked out great. Not to mention Reggie!

 

[St. Widge]

I want to remind everyone of a few 1st round RB’s we have selected in the past. Let’s start with Duece because he was picked even though we already had a good Running back in Ricky! That worked out really well for us. Then let’s skip down to Mark who until recently was our leading rusher. Both guys were picked while we already had good backs and worked out great. Not to mention Reggie!

That doesn't mean that this pick would work. In addition, Deuce was the 23rd pick in the 1st and Ingram was the 28th pick in the first. I don't think most would have an issue with taking Jeanty at #23 of #28, but we have the #10 pick (likely) and he probably won't be there at #23 or #28.

And, I'll remind you that Alvin Kamara was picked in the 3rd round.

Jeanty is a good player. The question is whether he is the type of generational RB that justifies taking him in the top 10?

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

We all have to understand this will not be a one year turnaround! It’s going to take 2-3 years. We need playmakers as well as solid line. Taking a great player in the first is a must even if he’s not high on our list.

I absolutely agree this is 3+ year turnaround. Which makes even less sense to select a RB that high.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

That doesn't mean that this pick would work. In addition, Deuce was the 23rd pick in the 1st and Ingram was the 28th pick in the first. I don't think most would have an issue with taking Jeanty at #23 of #28, but we have the #10 pick (likely) and he probably won't be there at #23 or #28.

And, I'll remind you that Alvin Kamara was picked in the 3rd round.

Jeanty is a good player. The question is whether he is the type of generational RB that justifies taking him in the top 10?

The argument that Kamara was picked in the 3rd round stands on 1 leg and can be easily swiped out from under anyone. Tom Brady was picked in the 5th or 6th, yet we all know good and well that any realistic shot at finding a franchise QB will happen in the first round, maybe early 2nd.

And while its hard to imagine, RB isn't that far off. Most good, dependable, starting RB talent is found in the first or second. Now, there is a solid argument that each draft has 2x, maybe even 4x more good RB's then QB's, which explains why RB's tend to drop in the draft until there is a run. It's no secret that QB's, LT's, CB's and Pass Rushers are more coveted (not in any specific order). But its easy to argue that a good RB is necessary.

I think RB is absolutely necessary. And if a Jeanty talent lands in your lap, you have to take it. Brooks would've had no shot at all without Deuce. Defenses never planned to stop Brooks, they planned for Deuce which put Brooks in a much better position to succeed. And perhaps most people may have forgotten, but LaDainian Tomlinson was a massive factor in Brees starting off his career well. Teams were constantly loading 8 in the box against him and that level of early success, and teams planning for the RB over the QB, really helps set up QB's for success early in their career playing a major factor in learning and confidence.

And the simple truth is, relying on a 32 year old RB as a bell cow is a recipe for disaster. So whether its this offseason, or the next we have to address RB. If Jeanty lands in our laps, it's debatably foolish to not take him. And the 10th pick doesn't matter. Adrian Peterson and LT were both taken top 5, and fans of both teams, as well as player personal don't regret taking either one.

Then what happens if we get trade offers for someone to move up for him? well, we have to weigh the value. Getting a few picks, and being able to take Skattebo plus some talent on Oline could arguably be more beneficial to us, assuming those draft picks work out.

 

[Snakehead]

That doesn't mean that this pick would work. In addition, Deuce was the 23rd pick in the 1st and Ingram was the 28th pick in the first. I don't think most would have an issue with taking Jeanty at #23 of #28, but we have the #10 pick (likely) and he probably won't be there at #23 or #28.

And, I'll remind you that Alvin Kamara was picked in the 3rd round.

Jeanty is a good player. The question is whether he is the type of generational RB that justifies taking him in the top 10?

He is.

 

[St. Widge]

The argument that Kamara was picked in the 3rd round stands on 1 leg and can be easily swiped out from under anyone. Tom Brady was picked in the 5th or 6th, yet we all know good and well that any realistic shot at finding a franchise QB will happen in the first round, maybe early 2nd.

And while its hard to imagine, RB isn't that far off. Most good, dependable, starting RB talent is found in the first or second. Now, there is a solid argument that each draft has 2x, maybe even 4x more good RB's then QB's, which explains why RB's tend to drop in the draft until there is a run. It's no secret that QB's, LT's, CB's and Pass Rushers are more coveted (not in any specific order). But its easy to argue that a good RB is necessary.

I think RB is absolutely necessary. And if a Jeanty talent lands in your lap, you have to take it. Brooks would've had no shot at all without Deuce. Defenses never planned to stop Brooks, they planned for Deuce which put Brooks in a much better position to succeed. And perhaps most people may have forgotten, but LaDainian Tomlinson was a massive factor in Brees starting off his career well. Teams were constantly loading 8 in the box against him and that level of early success, and teams planning for the RB over the QB, really helps set up QB's for success early in their career playing a major factor in learning and confidence.

And the simple truth is, relying on a 32 year old RB as a bell cow is a recipe for disaster. So whether its this offseason, or the next we have to address RB. If Jeanty lands in our laps, it's debatably foolish to not take him. And the 10th pick doesn't matter. Adrian Peterson and LT were both taken top 5, and fans of both teams, as well as player personal don't regret taking either one.

Then what happens if we get trade offers for someone to move up for him? well, we have to weigh the value. Getting a few picks, and being able to take Skattebo plus some talent on Oline could arguably be more beneficial to us, assuming those draft picks work out.

RBs are often found in the middle rounds so you should stop trying to sweep the leg, Johnny. And you are assuming this guy is LT, Peterson, Sanders, Faulk, etc. and I don't think he is.

I'd much rather trade back for extra picks and take someone like Skateboo or Judkins if he comes out.

 

[St. Widge]

He is.

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see it. He's powerful and fast but I don't see the balance and wiggle of the truly elite guys. He's not Marshall Faulk, Barry Sanders, or Thurman Thomas. I don't even think he's Saquon Barkley or Alvin Kamara.

 

[Snakehead]

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see it. He's powerful and fast but I don't see the balance and wiggle of the truly elite guys. He's not Marshall Faulk, Barry Sanders, or Thurman Thomas. I don't even think he's Saquon Barkley or Alvin Kamara.

I don't know what you're looking for. His contact balance is next level. He's extremely powerful. I've seen some DL hit him and fall straight down from how much power he packs. He's hit 22 mph in game this season. The guy is legit.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

RBs are often found in the middle rounds so you should stop trying to sweep the leg, Johnny. And you are assuming this guy is LT, Peterson, Sanders, Faulk, etc. and I don't think he is.

I'd much rather trade back for extra picks and take someone like Skateboo or Judkins if he comes out.

I absolutely put Jeanty in the mix of Peterson, Sanders, Faulk etc. He'll be able to carry an offense on his back just like the formentioned. He was Boise States only offensive weapon. And lets not forget, he did it without 1 offensive lineman projected to be taken in the draft this year or next (at least to my knowledge).

And those RB's you think we can find in the middle rounds very often are not good enough to carry an offense on their back the way Jeanty can. Just like most any position picked in the 3rd or 4th round often can’t carry their team .

Jeanty is a lock to be a franchise player, and any franchise player is worth a top 10 pick regardless of position so long its offense or defense.

 

[St. Widge]

I absolutely put Jeanty in the mix of Peterson, Sanders, Faulk etc. He'll be able to carry an offense on his back just like the formentioned. He was Boise States only offensive weapon. And lets not forget, he did it without 1 offensive lineman projected to be taken in the draft this year or next (at least to my knowledge).

And those RB's you think we can find in the middle rounds very often are not good enough to carry an offense on their back the way Jeanty can. I get it, Kamara was a 3rd round pick. Im sure it'll be just as easy to find another Kamara, or even Tom Brady in the 5th or 6th.

He also did it against Mountain West Defenses. Most of the teams they played had no defensive players projected to be taken early in the draft (to my knowledge).

Mid-round or lower RBs carry the load all the time in the NFL. Especially in the Shanhan/Kubiak system going all the way back to at least Terrell Davis who was a 6th round pick.

And he is not a lock to be a franchise player.

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

Give me Cam Skattebo in the 3rd, please.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

Give me Cam Skattebo in the 3rd, please.

Boy, he was fun to watch yesterday. I think it's reasonable to question whether or not his game will translate to the NFL level, however.

 

[St. Widge]

Boy, he was fun to watch yesterday. I think it's reasonable to question whether or not his game will translate to the NFL level, however.

I doubt he will be the kind of runner he is in college, but I do think he could play fullback and get more carries than the average FB as an effective power runner. I'm thinking a better version of Jacob Hester.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

I doubt he will be the kind of runner he is in college, but I do think he could play fullback and get more carries than the average FB as an effective power runner. I'm thinking a better version of Jacob Hester.

Yep, I was thinking about the guy in SF (not even going to try to spell his name lol) but those guys do not usually get drafted until the late rounds if at all. Rooting for him though, he is a beast.