Saints sign WR James Washington to one year deal (released on August 15)

[JackDiesel]

Do you think that fans of the rest of the NFL see Shaheed as a sure fire #2? He averaged about 2 catches for 40 yards a game last year as an UFA. I really like his potential, but not a slam dunk. Also, if you are rating Perry so high, why not other team's draft choices (i.e. Iosivas with the Bengals, Higgins with Dolphins). Let's get through training camp before trying to rank them.

And when he was promoted to starter those numbers jumped to 4 catches and 65 yards all with an extremely weak armed Andy Dalton throwing the ball. For added context those are averages that Higgins and Boyd were putting up with Burrow throwing them the ball.

We got some pretty good low risk, high reward guys filling out the lower final few spots. Edward's had his best season with Carr. Washington was good for Pittsburgh before Ben fell off a cliff and then injured in Dallas. People were screaming to draft Perry in the 4th round and the Saints were happy to get him when they did. Then we got TQS returning who should be a cap casualty. That's a better competition for the 4th - 6th spots than we've had in forever.

 

[nakadish]

DA/PC went back to the basketball team of WRs for DC like DB had when the offense was at it's peak.

In the Saints offense, I think that Carr can get close to Drew's level. Can you imagine the 2012 offense with a top 5 defense? That's going to be fun to watch. I wasn't sure about keeping DA and Pete at first, but I have to admit. I love what DA's done this offseason. It's been years since the Saints have had this many weapons on offense.

 

[kansast]

When it comes to receivers I always think about back when Drew had Colston,Henderson, Moore and Meachem. The number of years they were our receivers. The chemistry in place between QB and receivers. I actually heard Drew mention that the other day in his interview with Lance Moore. Seems like we’ve had a real carousel of wide receivers and QBs as of late. Hope we can turn that around.

 

[woohoosaint]

A Steelers fan friend of mine says that Washington is a really good WR.

 

[Surgeon]

Pete C. has no excuse this season for a putrid offense. If our offense struggles it’s all on Pete.

Whilst I agree Pete should be gone if the offense struggles like last year, I will not put 100% of the blame on him and I think I am being rational in my observation.

Of course he will naturally receive the most criticism as the offensive play-caller and rightly so, but in my eyes it will be shared for a number of reasons. Carr needs to prove he isn't the product of a bad Raiders organisation and perform better than he has in recent years. Is he better than Dalton? Yes. But I have not been blown away by him since he entered the league. He is an upgrade for sure but will not immune from criticism imo. He isn't a 2nd year QB or a rookie. He has been in the league 9 years and should hit the ground running. He has to prove he is better than what we have seen in recent years whilst at the Raiders otherwise many people including myself will wonder if he is actually is THAT guy that many Saints fans are hyping him up to be. He is free from the Raiders with a roster built to give him the best chance to succeed. I expect him too. PC might be calling the plays but Carr is the one throwing the football. He has the ability to make more throws than Andy Dalton and I expect to see that this coming season. Dalton took a lot of stick last season because of bad play calling but he also didn't have the right execution. Afraid to throw it long and always looking for the dump down. I will hold both PC & Carr responsible if the execution & play-calling on offense does not improve.

Finally DA & Loomis. Pete might be the OC but DA is the head coach. He oversees everything and seems to have an extremely conservative attitude. Some people have claimed 'he coaches not to lose' as opposed to 'coaching to win'. It is hard to disagree with that. If we have another poor season and add another losing record to DA's losing season streak, then he too needs to follow Pete out the door.

Loomis is the GM and runs the entire ship. He stuck by DA and Pete when many fans were calling for their heads and much will be the same if we suffer another disappointing season. He may have given them both the benefit of the doubt with it being their first season here, who knows, but the fact is he stuck with them. He also signed Carr to a 4 year contract with the approval of Dennis Allen & Pete whilst being responsible for rebuilding this roster. Once again, he chose to go all in, now. If it turns out to be a failure, then yes, Loomis deserves criticism as much as the next guy. We are all excited for the new season and new additions, but until half way through the season at least we do not know how it will actually play out. I am hoping it does but if Offense is poor once again and we fail to win a poor division after the amount of moves we have made, then Dennis Allen, Pete C, Carr and Loomis should all rightfully receive criticism as each will have played the most part in the upcoming season, so neither are exempt from blame. Here's hoping we have a great year. Who dat!

 

[SWJJ]

Whilst I agree Pete should be gone if the offense struggles like last year, I will not put 100% of the blame on him and I think I am being rational in my observation.

Of course he will naturally receive the most criticism as the offensive play-caller and rightly so, but in my eyes it will be shared for a number of reasons. Carr needs to prove he isn't the product of a bad Raiders organisation and perform better than he has in recent years. Is he better than Dalton? Yes. But I have not been blown away by him since he entered the league.

TF are yall even talking about? The only season in the last 5 years Carr didn't have over 4000 passing yards was last year when they made him QB for a McDaniels Offense.

He probably would have thrown for over 4000 yards if McDaniels didn't bench him for the last 2 games.

Carr has over 35,000 career passing yards and over 200 touchdown passes. 4 time pro-bowler.

Carr has been insanely successful DESPITE being a Raider. He holds almost every raiders passing record.

 

[TribuneUK]

How is that any different than pretty much every position group on our team or the NFL for that matter?

Because on SR, we have topics with over 100 replies just about WRs and a fairly unimportant depth/training camp signing.

The obsession with WRs surpasses almost all others around here....

 

[SWJJ]

Carr "recent years" per game averages:
2022 235 yards 1.6 Td .9 INT (McDaniels Head Coach)
2021 282 yards 1.4 Td .8 INT
2020 256 yards 1.7 Td .6 INT
2019 253 yards 1.3 Td .5 INT
2018 252 Yards 1.3 Td .8 INT


Which "recent year" isn't up to your standards?

 

[Surgeon]

TF are yall even talking about? The only season in the last 5 years Carr didn't have over 4000 passing yards was last year when they made him QB for a McDaniels Offense.

He probably would have thrown for over 4000 yards is McDaniels didn't bench him for the last 2 games.

Carr has over 35,000 career passing yards and over 200 touchdown passes. 4 time pro-bowler.

Carr has been insanely successful DESPITE being a Raider. He holds almost every raiders passing record.

I ain't going to be drawn into a Derek Carr debate with someone who has Derick Carr as their profile picture. I never even said he isn't a decent QB. What point of my post do you disagree with exactly? All I said was he isn't exempt from blame if the offense struggles. Many QB's throw for a lot of yards. That's not a great stat to highlight. He has 24 touchdowns and 14 interceptions in his last 2 seasons. Andy Dalton had a higher QB rating than him last season. Does that mean Dalton is better? Of course not. But I don't think I was being out of line by saying nobody will be impressed if he take over our offense and puts up similar numbers. Trust me. If you disagree with that then you are literally making my point for me. If the Raiders were to blame for that, then he won't have an issue having a better season than the last few years.

 

[SWJJ]

I ain't going to be drawn into a Derek Carr debate with someone who has Derick Carr as their profile picture. I never even said he isn't a decent QB. What point of my post do you disagree with exactly? All I said was he isn't exempt from blame if the offense struggles. Many QB's throw for a lot of yards. That's not a great stat to highlight. He has 24 touchdowns and 14 interceptions in his last 2 seasons. Andy Dalton had a higher QB rating than him last season. Does that mean Dalton is better? Of course not. But I don't think I was being out of line by saying nobody will be impressed if he take over our offense and puts up similar numbers. Trust me. If you disagree with that then you are literally making my point for me. If the Raiders were to blame for that, then he won't have an issue having a better season than the last few years.


EARLIER:


He has to prove he is better than what we have seen in recent years

Last season is an outlier because he had McDaniels as Head Coach.

Every time McDaniels leaves New England he ruins a franchise and throws the QB under the Bus.


His rating in 2021 was 94, and in 2020 and 2019 he had ratings over 100. But you said he needed to perform better than in recent years. Outside of having McDaniels as Head coach he has performed very well.

 

[SWJJ]

Just say you didn't watch him play as a Raider and shut the front door.

 

[Surgeon]

Last season is an outlier because he had McDaniels as Head Coach.

Every time McDaniels leaves New England he ruins a franchise and throws the QB under the Bus.


His rating in 2021 was 94, and in 2020 and 2019 he had ratings over 100. But you said he needed to perform better than in recent years. Outside of having McDaniels as Head coach he has performed very well.

I have watched him a lot thank you. Okay, so we won't include last year since it's all McDaniels fault.

Carr averages:

3522 yards, 24 touchdowns, 10 interceptions, 0 playoff wins.

Again, I never said Derek Carr was a bad Quarterback. The point I was making, is for the Saints to make the playoffs and maybe even win a playoff game, he has to elevate his game. Why does that seem to be something you can't comprehend?

If he stayed at the saints for another 9 years and averaged those stats above, would you not put any blame on him? Or just blame everyone else? Would you say he has been "insanely succesful"? I am sure many Saints fans would not. That was my original point.

Again, let me make the point. If the offense does not improve and Carr is our QB, then yes, he merits some of the blame. If you think his stats are not improveable then you really are setting the bar mediocre dude. I am not expecting him to come here and throw for 50 touchdowns, 6000 yards and lead us to the Super Bowl. But if he doesn't make the team better then yes, he should take some of the blame. You seem very against that.

That is as much as I will say on the matter. I am not sure why you are trying to paint the picture that I called him a bad QB or something. Carr is a decent Quarterback, I said that above. But if we want to improve more than just scraping a putrid division win, he will and can be better. His ceiling is higher than the stats above and with this roster there are no excuses. Quit acting like no matter what he does he is immune from any blame. Be rational.

 

[SWJJ]

Carr averages:

3522 yards, 24 touchdowns, 10 interceptions, 0 playoff wins.

You math as well as you analyze QBs

Here are Carr's Stats:




Even leaving in last year's stats his passing average is 3914 yards
playoff wins is a team stats, not a personal stat.

Raiders Defensive rankings while Carr was QB
2022: 27th
2021: 26th
2020: 30th
2019: 24th
2018: 32nd
2017: 20th
2016: 20th
2015: 22nd
2014: 32nd
If you watched the games like you say, then you would know Carr actually leads the NFL in 4th and OT comebacks since he entered the league.

https://www.si.com/nfl/raiders/news/las-vegas-raiders-derek-carr-fourth-quarter-comebacks-2015#:~:text=CBS%20Sports%20HQ%20released%20the,Super%20Bowl%20champion%20Matthew%20Stafford.

 

[Surgeon]

You math as well as you analyze QBs

Here are Carr's Stats:




Even leaving in last year's stats his passing average is 3914 yards
playoff wins is a team stats, not a personal stat.

Raiders Defensive rankings while Carr was QB
2022: 27th
2021: 26th
2020: 30th
2019: 24th
2018: 32nd
2017: 20th
2016: 20th
2015: 22nd
2014: 32nd
If you watched the games like you say, then you would know Carr actually leads the NFL in 4th and OT comebacks since he entered the league.

https://www.si.com/nfl/raiders/news/las-vegas-raiders-derek-carr-fourth-quarter-comebacks-2015#:~:text=CBS%20Sports%20HQ%20released%20the,Super%20Bowl%20champion%20Matthew%20Stafford.

Again, what exactly are you trying to prove to me...? That Carr is a decent QB? I already said that lol. So I am genuinely confused, what point are you trying to make?

If you are saying playoff wins are a team stat then so are 4th quarter comebacks. Do they have a different Quarterback in the first 3 quarters?

It's funny seeing you clown my posts for simply saying Carr is not exempt from any blame if our offence is Putrid. Are you related to him?