Saints sign WR James Washington to one year deal (released on August 15) (1 Viewer)

[SWJJ]

Carr "recent years" per game averages:
2022 235 yards 1.6 Td .9 INT (McDaniels Head Coach)
2021 282 yards 1.4 Td .8 INT
2020 256 yards 1.7 Td .6 INT
2019 253 yards 1.3 Td .5 INT
2018 252 Yards 1.3 Td .8 INT


Which "recent year" isn't up to your standards?

 

[Surgeon]

TF are yall even talking about? The only season in the last 5 years Carr didn't have over 4000 passing yards was last year when they made him QB for a McDaniels Offense.

He probably would have thrown for over 4000 yards is McDaniels didn't bench him for the last 2 games.

Carr has over 35,000 career passing yards and over 200 touchdown passes. 4 time pro-bowler.

Carr has been insanely successful DESPITE being a Raider. He holds almost every raiders passing record.

I ain't going to be drawn into a Derek Carr debate with someone who has Derick Carr as their profile picture. I never even said he isn't a decent QB. What point of my post do you disagree with exactly? All I said was he isn't exempt from blame if the offense struggles. Many QB's throw for a lot of yards. That's not a great stat to highlight. He has 24 touchdowns and 14 interceptions in his last 2 seasons. Andy Dalton had a higher QB rating than him last season. Does that mean Dalton is better? Of course not. But I don't think I was being out of line by saying nobody will be impressed if he take over our offense and puts up similar numbers. Trust me. If you disagree with that then you are literally making my point for me. If the Raiders were to blame for that, then he won't have an issue having a better season than the last few years.

 

[SWJJ]

I ain't going to be drawn into a Derek Carr debate with someone who has Derick Carr as their profile picture. I never even said he isn't a decent QB. What point of my post do you disagree with exactly? All I said was he isn't exempt from blame if the offense struggles. Many QB's throw for a lot of yards. That's not a great stat to highlight. He has 24 touchdowns and 14 interceptions in his last 2 seasons. Andy Dalton had a higher QB rating than him last season. Does that mean Dalton is better? Of course not. But I don't think I was being out of line by saying nobody will be impressed if he take over our offense and puts up similar numbers. Trust me. If you disagree with that then you are literally making my point for me. If the Raiders were to blame for that, then he won't have an issue having a better season than the last few years.


EARLIER:


He has to prove he is better than what we have seen in recent years

Last season is an outlier because he had McDaniels as Head Coach.

Every time McDaniels leaves New England he ruins a franchise and throws the QB under the Bus.


His rating in 2021 was 94, and in 2020 and 2019 he had ratings over 100. But you said he needed to perform better than in recent years. Outside of having McDaniels as Head coach he has performed very well.

 

[SWJJ]

Just say you didn't watch him play as a Raider and shut the front door.

 

[Surgeon]

Last season is an outlier because he had McDaniels as Head Coach.

Every time McDaniels leaves New England he ruins a franchise and throws the QB under the Bus.


His rating in 2021 was 94, and in 2020 and 2019 he had ratings over 100. But you said he needed to perform better than in recent years. Outside of having McDaniels as Head coach he has performed very well.

I have watched him a lot thank you. Okay, so we won't include last year since it's all McDaniels fault.

Carr averages:

3522 yards, 24 touchdowns, 10 interceptions, 0 playoff wins.

Again, I never said Derek Carr was a bad Quarterback. The point I was making, is for the Saints to make the playoffs and maybe even win a playoff game, he has to elevate his game. Why does that seem to be something you can't comprehend?

If he stayed at the saints for another 9 years and averaged those stats above, would you not put any blame on him? Or just blame everyone else? Would you say he has been "insanely succesful"? I am sure many Saints fans would not. That was my original point.

Again, let me make the point. If the offense does not improve and Carr is our QB, then yes, he merits some of the blame. If you think his stats are not improveable then you really are setting the bar mediocre dude. I am not expecting him to come here and throw for 50 touchdowns, 6000 yards and lead us to the Super Bowl. But if he doesn't make the team better then yes, he should take some of the blame. You seem very against that.

That is as much as I will say on the matter. I am not sure why you are trying to paint the picture that I called him a bad QB or something. Carr is a decent Quarterback, I said that above. But if we want to improve more than just scraping a putrid division win, he will and can be better. His ceiling is higher than the stats above and with this roster there are no excuses. Quit acting like no matter what he does he is immune from any blame. Be rational.

 

[SWJJ]

Carr averages:

3522 yards, 24 touchdowns, 10 interceptions, 0 playoff wins.

You math as well as you analyze QBs

Here are Carr's Stats:




Even leaving in last year's stats his passing average is 3914 yards
playoff wins is a team stats, not a personal stat.

Raiders Defensive rankings while Carr was QB
2022: 27th
2021: 26th
2020: 30th
2019: 24th
2018: 32nd
2017: 20th
2016: 20th
2015: 22nd
2014: 32nd
If you watched the games like you say, then you would know Carr actually leads the NFL in 4th and OT comebacks since he entered the league.

https://www.si.com/nfl/raiders/news/las-vegas-raiders-derek-carr-fourth-quarter-comebacks-2015#:~:text=CBS%20Sports%20HQ%20released%20the,Super%20Bowl%20champion%20Matthew%20Stafford.

 

[Surgeon]

You math as well as you analyze QBs

Here are Carr's Stats:




Even leaving in last year's stats his passing average is 3914 yards
playoff wins is a team stats, not a personal stat.

Raiders Defensive rankings while Carr was QB
2022: 27th
2021: 26th
2020: 30th
2019: 24th
2018: 32nd
2017: 20th
2016: 20th
2015: 22nd
2014: 32nd
If you watched the games like you say, then you would know Carr actually leads the NFL in 4th and OT comebacks since he entered the league.

https://www.si.com/nfl/raiders/news/las-vegas-raiders-derek-carr-fourth-quarter-comebacks-2015#:~:text=CBS%20Sports%20HQ%20released%20the,Super%20Bowl%20champion%20Matthew%20Stafford.

Again, what exactly are you trying to prove to me...? That Carr is a decent QB? I already said that lol. So I am genuinely confused, what point are you trying to make?

If you are saying playoff wins are a team stat then so are 4th quarter comebacks. Do they have a different Quarterback in the first 3 quarters?

It's funny seeing you clown my posts for simply saying Carr is not exempt from any blame if our offence is Putrid. Are you related to him?

 

[SWJJ]

Again, what exactly are you trying to prove to me...? That Carr is a decent QB? I already said that lol. So I am genuinely confused, what point are you trying to make?

If you are saying playoff wins are a team stat then so are 4th quarter comebacks. Do they have a different Quarterback in the first 3 quarters?

It's funny seeing you clown my posts for simply saying Carr is not exempt from any blame if our offence is Putrid. Are you related to him?

You said Carr will have to play better than he has in recent years.


I Post recent years stats to reference and ask which years you felt he didn't perform well.


Then you do "math" and misrepresent his career average.


I'm clowning your posts because you are a clown.

 

[SWJJ]

If he stayed at the saints for another 9 years and averaged those stats above, would you not put any blame on him? Or just blame everyone else? Would you say he has been "insanely succesful"? I am sure many Saints fans would not. That was my original point.

If Carr plays 9 more years and averages the same he will have over 70K passing yards and 5th all time ahead of Aaron Rodgers and Dan Marino.

His 434 touchdowns would put him 6th all time just behind Aaron Rodgers.

On what planet is that not "insanely successful?"

JFC

I hope you are not really a surgeon.

 

[Surgeon]

You said Carr will have to play better than he has in recent years.


I Post recent years stats to reference and ask which years you felt he didn't perform well.


Then you do "math" and misrepresent his career average.


I'm clowning your posts because you are a clown.

If the Saints want to do more than win a weak NFC South, then yes he will. That is fact. You can disagree and that is fine.

And yes, I accidentally divided his yardage by 9 rather than 8 since you conveniently wanted to wipe out last season. My bad.

Even so, if you seriously think averaging 24 touchdowns and 10 interceptions is going to turn our offense from putrid like last season to a top offense to actually be competitive in the post season then that's on you. I hope it works out. But acting as if people are idiots for implying he CAN do better as if he has put up crazy insane numbers is just silly.

Good day.

 

[B_doggman47]

How did this thread go from talking about the signing of Washington to the bashing of coaches, Loomis and Carr. Can't we just all agree that the coaches and the front office have been doing a good job of making this team a lot better than it has been the last couple of years. I believe a healthy Washington will be an asset to our offense and gives Carr another weapon.

 

[Surgeon]

If Carr plays 9 more years and averages the same he will have over 70K passing yards and 5th all time ahead of Aaron Rodgers and Dan Marino.

His 434 touchdowns would put him 6th all time just behind Aaron Rodgers.

On what planet is that not "insanely successful?"

JFC

I hope you are not really a surgeon.

But he won't play 9 more years, I said that because because he has been in the league 9 years already and was making the point if he achieved exactly here what he had for the Raiders, you wouldn't call it insanely successful. Quit making personal jabs and stop being a clown.

 

[Surgeon]

How did this thread go from talking about the signing of Washington to the bashing of coaches, Loomis and Carr. Can't we just all agree that the coaches and the front office have been doing a good job of making this team a lot better than it has been the last couple of years. I believe a healthy Washington will be an asset to our offense and gives Carr another weapon.

You have taken my OP completely wrong. It is hypothetical. If we have another poor season will you not blame at least one of the above? That is what I was saying. I wasn't making the prediction we are going to be bad, I never said that at all. Come on man.

 

[SWJJ]

If he stayed at the saints for another 9 years and averaged those stats above... Would you say he has been "insanely succesful"?

But he won't play 9 more years, I

 

[Surgeon]

That's a nice picture you've taken of your shoes. Aren't you the same person who said we had the best group of pass catchers in the league? Have a nice day.

You literally can't say anything on here no matter how rational without black and gold blinded homers jumping down your throat aggressively. I am sorry for suggesting Derek Carr could play better as a Saint than when he was a Raider. Peace.