Update Saints will interview Mike McCarthy in person during this week, Jan. 20-Jan. 25 [Underhill: McCarthy would have to be the current favorite] (49 Viewers)

[livefromDC]

So I am curious here…are you saying that Reid and Belichick had some sort of inherent advantage with their new respective teams because they DIDN’T win Super Bowls before?

So if McNabb doesn’t blow the Eagles’ Super Bowl back in 2004, Reid is at some sort of disadvantage years later in your eyes?

Need more explanation here.

Oh geez, I just realized I've been conflating Reid and Holmgren.

If Reid wins a Super Bowl in Philly, he's in Philly a lot longer. That's just the way it goes. Does he retire or eventually get fired in Philly and go on to do what he has in Kansas City? Who knows. Or is he in Philadelphia long enough that the Eagles jump in front of the Saints?

My point is winning a Super Bowl changes things for a head coach. Do you think he leaves the Eagles when he does if he had won a SuperBowl? I say 100% no

 

[St. Geezy]

No, I get that. And that's true. The small sample size is a function of time though. Time isn't on McCarthy's side. That clock is ticking. For me it's a factor of time and motivation. Perhaps McCarthy is motivated to do it again like Payton or Belichick, but let's be honest. They're still competing against time. Even for Payton, age will become a concern. If he's lucky he may coach into his 70s like Belichick. But the difference here (and with Holmgren in Kansas City) is Belichick had that franchise QB. Holmgren HAS that. Payton and McCarthy? Maybe Payton now.

McCarthy will have to do a full rebuild, find a franchise QB and stay motivated while fighting father time. There's a small sample size because time is the biggest variable in the equation. Coaches do get past up by the game or lose the drive. The sample size isn't small accidently. This isn't the Running back cliff (there's a lot more RBs than NFL head coaches). This isn't a favorable equation for a team looking to win. It just isn't.

The sample size is small because there have only been 58 Super Bowl winners compared to a countless number of coaches, and you’re extrapolating out a very small subset of those coaches. That’s a data point issue, not a trend.

That small subset includes several coaches that have actually reached the Super Bowl again by the way, which to me speaks to something and is worth noting.

 

[St. Geezy]

Oh geez, I just realized I've been conflating Reid and Holmgren.

If Reid wins a Super Bowl in Philly, he's in Philly a lot longer. That's just the way it goes. Does he retire or eventually get fired in Philly and go on to do what he has in Kansas City? Who knows. Or is he in Philadelphia long enough that the Eagles jump in front of the Saints?

My point is winning a Super Bowl changes things for a head coach. Do you think he leaves the Eagles when he does if he had won a SuperBowl? I say 100% no

But there have been many that HAVE left after winning a Super Bowl. Isn’t this a key basis point of your entire thinking???

 

[SonOfNOLA]

What? Cooks has been solid. Jake Ferguson is a top 10 TE. That Oline is one of the better ones. Dak is arguably a top 10 QB. Rico Dowdle is a good RB. Tolbert has been a monster whenever he's gotten the ball in his hands and has absolutely shown a knack for taking over games and that's just the offense.

Mazi Smith, Micah Parsons, Eric Kendrick Lawrences. They don't have a single bad player in their starting lineup on defense either. Try again.

Cooks is very overrated and past his prime. Dallas pass offense couldn’t move the ball when Cooks was relied on as the top option when Lamb goes down or taken away. Dowdle is another system UDFA RB who looks like a RB1 with great blocking. Jalen Tolbert didn’t have more than 270 receiving yards in a season until his 3rd season in 2024 when he recorded 610. Tolbert being a “monster” would be a stretch. Mazi Smith was just drafted in 2023 and didn’t have a good rookie season. Ferguson had a solid 2nd year in 2023 but looked subpar-serviceable in 2024. He hasn’t stacked enough good seasons to be considered a definite top 10 TE.

Dallas did not have any playmakers outside of Dak, Lamb, Lawrence and Parsons, that are winning games that matter. McCarthy overachieved with those Dallas teams.

 

[j4m2b]

I think the reason people overlook mccarthy is because he is low key. Payton had lots of drama and still does.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Cooks is very overrated and past his prime. Dallas pass offense couldn’t move the ball when Cooks was relied on as the top option when Lamb goes down or taken away. Dowdle is another system UDFA RB. Jalen Tolbert didn’t have more than 200 receiving yards until his 3rd season in 2024. Tolbert being a “monster” is a huge exaggeration. Mazi Smith was just drafted in 2023 and didn’t have a good rookie season. Ferguson had a solid 2nd year but looked subpar-serviceable in 2024.

Dallas did not have any playmakers outside of Dak, Lamb, Lawrence and Parsons, that are winning games that matter. McCarthy overachieved with those Dallas teams.

I can't agree with your reasoning. Cowboys certainly have loads of talent. You're pointing to stats and if they had a better coach those stats likely would be better. They're viewed year in and year out as a top 10 team in the NFL talent wise. The simple fact that they're not living up to it is exactly why McCarthy is not a good coach anymore and keeps losing against good teams while we watch the exact opposite happen in Denver with Sean Payton and one of the least talented NFL teams drastically over achieve.

 

[DaveXA]

Cooks is very overrated and past his prime. Dallas pass offense couldn’t move the ball when Cooks was relied on as the top option when Lamb goes down or taken away. Dowdle is another system UDFA RB. Jalen Tolbert didn’t have more than 200 receiving yards until his 3rd season in 2024. Tolbert being a “monster” is a huge exaggeration. Mazi Smith was just drafted in 2023 and didn’t have a good rookie season. Ferguson had a solid 2nd year but looked subpar-serviceable in 2024.

Dallas did not have any playmakers outside of Dak, Lamb, Lawrence and Parsons, that are winning games that matter. McCarthy overachieved with those Dallas teams.

Yeah, for all the talk about the Cowboys' talent, they sure aren't all that deep with said talent. They might have one decent to solid player at a given position, but they don't have that throughout their starting group. Their talent has always been somewhat overrated. That's just how it's been at Dallas for decades.

That's more a Jerry Jones issue than anything else.

 

[livefromDC]

I don't get this argument that since McCarthy has won a Super Bowl with GB he can't win one with the Saints...
No it hasn't been done yet.. but that doesn't mean it can't be done.

Andy Reid, Dick Vermeil, & Bill Parcells have been to the Super Bowl with multiple teams...

Sooner or later it will happen...

Now we're getting somewhere. I've already discussed Reid, but let's discuss the 2 coaches you mentioned. Vermeil took over the Rams when he turned 61. Yes, he won a Super Bowl. Came back to the game to win the Super Bowl. He went on to coach his third team, the Chiefs at about 65. Still pretty decent, just got old and eventually retired despite having a winning record.

Parcells started coaching at 41 years old and eventually won 2 Super Bowls with the Giants. I think he was on his 4th team by the time he got to the Cowboys. He was around 62. He had a winning record there before he retired.

Rebuilding a team in your 60s just hasn't proven to be worthwhile for these coaches to see it through if they've won it all before already. Reid still had the Super Bowl drive when he got to Kansas City. After a certain point, the will to do it dissolves even when they're coming off of good seasons.

 

[HogsNSaints]

Let’s be honest, the Saints roster he will have in Year 1 is probably the worst roster he’s had as a HC. He’s never been a roster-elevator. The two teams he’s been let go from would tell you he’s the exact opposite.

I think this is a massive miss.

 

[Swampy Saint]

Let’s be honest, the Saints roster he will have in Year 1 is probably the worst roster he’s had as a HC. He’s never been a roster-elevator. The two teams he’s been let go from would tell you he’s the exact opposite.

I think this is a massive miss.

Who do you want us to hire?

 

[livefromDC]

But there have been many that HAVE left after winning a Super Bowl. Isn’t this a key basis point of your entire thinking???

I believe all of them retired though. Parcells and Vermeil retired then came back later, but then retired again in their 60s despite having winning records. THAT says a lot to me. The coaches who have done it just lost interest in seeing it through. That says volumes!

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Only Gruden & McVay are coaches in their 30's that won the game!
It is a myth...

This guy would like to have a word with you!

 

[saintsmarchin]

I mean I dont want MM... but... he did make the Cowboys viable... and thats hard to do.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Now we're getting somewhere. I've already discussed Reid, but let's discuss the 2 coaches you mentioned. Vermeil took over the Rams when he turned 61. Yes, he won a Super Bowl. Came back to the game to win the Super Bowl. He went on to coach his third team, the Chiefs at about 65. Still pretty decent, just got old and eventually retired despite having a winning record.

Parcells started coaching at 41 years old and eventually won 2 Super Bowls with the Giants. I think he was on his 4th team by the time he got to the Cowboys. He was around 62. He had a winning record there before he retired.

Rebuilding a team in your 60s just hasn't proven to be worthwhile for these coaches to see it through if they've won it all before already. Reid still had the Super Bowl drive when he got to Kansas City. After a certain point, the will to do it dissolves even when they're coming off of good seasons.

This is a terrible argument and doesn't have any legs to stand on.

Reid had two awful seasons after his son died in training camp. That is terribly traumatic. Prior to those two seasons he was still taking opposing coaches to school. He went to KC, with a fresh start and all of the drive came back to him.

Vermeil rarely ever led teams and got out coached. Its really just that simple.

Parcells was awful with the cowboys. Did they even have a .500 record? I recall them losing all the time and being one of the worst teams in the NFL. His last good team was with the Jets prior to the Cowboys. It's also the last time the Jets were worth a dang (Didn't he draft Aaron Glenn?).

When a coach starts getting out-coached by coaches who often go to the playoffs, its better to just stay away from them. That's where McCarthy is. He was once a good coach around 15 years ago. But the last 7 or so years he's been getting taken to school time and again whenever they played a playoff caliber team.

 

[HogsNSaints]

Who do you want us to hire?

Assuming Glenn takes the Jets job, I would say:

1. Joe Brady
2. Brian Flores
3. Bobby Slowik
4. Anthony Weaver

As you can see I am “HogsNSaints” and I think hiring McCarthy is basically identical to the Razorbacks hiring John Calipari away from Kentucky.

You can get blinded by a great resume when you don’t consider all factors. Did he win a championship? YES. 1, when he has had the best roster in the sport like 6-8X. And this is not a better situation (which I have to sadly admit is true Arkansas v Kentucky). If you hire an underachiever because he’s been successful enough, you find the result explodes in your face.