Update Saints will interview Mike McCarthy in person during this week, Jan. 20-Jan. 25 [Underhill: McCarthy would have to be the current favorite] (51 Viewers)

[St. Geezy]

Andy Reid had never won a Super bowl before the Chiefs.
Belichick had never won a Super bowl before the Patriots.

That's not the same.

And you're ignoring that one of the people from your example, only got one sniff at head coach last year. Nothing I said was inaccurate. Show me a former Super Bowl winning coach who has rebuilt another team into a Super Bowl winner. I want the Saints to contend for Super Bowls, not be good enough to be competitive.

McCarthy wouldn't be horrible, but I'd prefer the odds if we give a new coach a try. Could it fail? Yes, but at least the Saints will have tried something that has a track record of success versus something that doesn't. And again, hoping that a former Super Bowl winning head coach over the age of 60 gets his third different team to the big game doesn't have a history of success. Young, motivated new coaches does though.

I just don’t think the sample size is big enough. Winning Super Bowls is difficult for everyone. To single out one small subset of coaches (the rare few that have won one and then later went to another teams) and to damn them all as incapable of winning merely because of age seems silly to me.

Everyone from all walks of coaching life fails at this.

 

[Rouxble]

I'm not a fan of Weaver at all, but he's shown the ability to completely out coach opposition. I would take him over McCarthy.

Who has Weaver outcoached? His two years as a DC ended with DVOA ranks of 31st and 19th.

 

[MikeyF]

Your reading comprehension sucks if that's all you got out of my post. How many of those coach's won Super Bowls for their second or third team too? Don't run away Mikey, answer the question. How many?

McCarthy has a full rebuild ahead of him here. Going into his third year here, he'd be 64 with hopefully a better roster. It's not the same as Andy Reid who was still hungry to win and in his 50 when he got to Kansas City.

Your post sucks because as I showed you only 2 young coaches have ever won the Super Bowl...

Your post states a myth...

 

[St. Geezy]

Your reading comprehension sucks if that's all you got out of my post. How many of those coach's won Super Bowls for their second or third team too? Don't run away Mikey, answer the question. How many?

McCarthy has a full rebuild ahead of him here. Going into his third year here, he'd be 64 with hopefully a better roster. It's not the same as Andy Reid who was still hungry to win and in his 50 when he got to Kansas City.

How many have gotten there? How many have recreated contending programs?

That’s more important to me than who has happened to gotten that last bit of playoff luck necessary to close the deal.

Again I ask, would you damn Sean Payton in this manner and say he can’t win again just because he’s done it before here?

 

[Saint Greg]

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Is he going to sign for the Vet min? If he gets cut and has one of those deals like Russell Wilson had where he signs for 1mil and the jets pay the rest it could work. That’s the only way.

 

[Saint Greg]

He'll be Dennis Allen 2.0 Why would the Saints waste their time interviewing a head coach with a losing record?

I think you meant to post this in the Kingsbury thread.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

I find it funny that in certain conversations we blame the quarterback for lack of playoff success and in others we blame the coach/organization, depending on what narrative that needs to be pushed.

I’m not willing to put Dallas’ lack of playoff luck all on the shoulders of the head coach.

Bottom line is he created a program capable of consistently getting there, and the whole building needed to dig a little deeper and/or see a bit more matchup and on-field luck.

McCarthy didn’t suddenly forget how to win playoff games.

If McCarthy hasn't forgotten how to win playoff games, then why does he almost never win them anymore in the last 7 or so years? More so, when he plays against playoff caliber teams in the season, why does he often lose?

Its not JUST playoff games. Its anytime he's up against a good head coach. Just look at their schedule. The only good team they beat this year was going 1-1 against the Commanders and beat the Buccaneers (due to a missed field goal by the bucs). Every other good team, they lost... and often embarrassingly so. The results weren't any better last year. Or the year before that, and the year before that and so on.

McCarthy gets out coached all the time by good coaches.

 

[livefromDC]

I just don’t think the sample size is big enough. Winning Super Bowls is difficult for everyone. To single out one small subset of coaches (the rare few that have won one and then later went to another teams) and to damn them all as incapable of winning merely because of age seems silly to me.

Everyone from all walks of coaching life fails at this.

No, I get that. And that's true. The small sample size is a function of time though. Time isn't on McCarthy's side. That clock is ticking. For me it's a factor of time and motivation. Perhaps McCarthy is motivated to do it again like Payton or Belichick, but let's be honest. They're still competing against time. Even for Payton, age will become a concern. If he's lucky he may coach into his 70s like Belichick. But the difference here (and with Holmgren in Kansas City) is Belichick had that franchise QB. Holmgren HAS that. Payton and McCarthy? Maybe Payton now.

McCarthy will have to do a full rebuild, find a franchise QB and stay motivated while fighting father time. There's a small sample size because time is the biggest variable in the equation. Coaches do get past up by the game or lose the drive. The sample size isn't small accidently. This isn't the Running back cliff (there's a lot more RBs than NFL head coaches). This isn't a favorable equation for a team looking to win. It just isn't.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

Just think of the last 4 years. The Cowboys have been one of the most talented teams in the NFL. The entire nation used to laugh at their losses because the media would also hype them out, and the cowboys would come out and disappoint. It's become such a constant thing that we no longer laugh anymore. Going into this season, we all knew the Cowboys wouldn't make it past the divisional round of the playoffs at best. No one considered them a threat. And when they got embarassed did we all laugh? No. Its become expected. They very often lose big games usually because the opposing coach makes adjustments, and McCarthy ends up getting spanked.

Will we win in the season? Yes. Will we make the playoffs? Usually. Will we contend in the playoffs? Nope. Just like Dennis Allen made us similar to the Raiders, McCarthy will make us similar to the Cowboys.

If your a desperate fan because of the last 3 years, your willing to forego being a Superbowl contender just to be relevant, I get it. But I'd rather swing for the fence in hopes of getting a coach that can out-coach opposition and make it to the SuperBowl.

I'm not a fan of Weaver at all, but he's shown the ability to completely out coach opposition. I would take him over McCarthy.

This keeps being said but the Cowboys were not one of the most talented teams. Media overrated their talent every year because of their owner. Their best players were Dak, Lamb, the O-Linemen, aging DL DeMarcus Lawrence and Micah Parsons. Those are the only players having notable statistical seasons. The CBs Diggs and Bland can get INTs but constantly give up a ton of yards. Everyone else were system role players developed by McCarthy and playing above their talent level thanks to McCarthy’s offense. McCarthy led 8-9–9-8 skill talent to 12-5 seasons. Dallas wasn’t getting double digit wins without McCarthy. The lack of playmakers outside of Lamb showed when he couldn’t win with them in the playoffs. He overachieved with having just Dak, Lamb and great blocking as his nucleus.

Running game was great thanks to McCarthy providing a blocking scheme for ground and pound RBs to be in sync with elite OL. Elliott and Pollard weren’t explosive passcatching backs. The WRs after Lamb were average at best. The success of Cooks and Gallup depended on having a legit WR1 on the field with them. Neither were having dominant games when Lamb missed games.

 

[livefromDC]

Your post sucks because as I showed you only 2 young coaches have ever won the Super Bowl...

Your post states a myth...

1. I repeatedly stated old Super Bowl winning coaches with a new team. I never specified an age. You keep missing that.
2. My post states a fact.

So let's try again. Name a coach who has won a Super Bowl with 2 different teams?

 

[SonOfNOLA]

 

[St. Geezy]

Andy Reid had never won a Super bowl before the Chiefs.
Belichick had never won a Super bowl before the Patriots.

That's not the same.

So I am curious here…are you saying that Reid and Belichick had some sort of inherent advantage with their new respective teams because they DIDN’T win Super Bowls before?

So if McNabb doesn’t blow the Eagles’ Super Bowl back in 2004, Reid is at some sort of disadvantage years later in your eyes?

Need more explanation here.

 

[MikeyF]

I don't get this argument that since McCarthy has won a Super Bowl with GB he can't win one with the Saints...
No it hasn't been done yet.. but that doesn't mean it can't be done.

Andy Reid, Dick Vermeil, & Bill Parcells have been to the Super Bowl with multiple teams...

Sooner or later it will happen...

 

[3ParStillDriver]

This keeps being said but the Cowboys were not one of the most talented teams. Media overrated their talent every year because of their owner. Their best players were Dak, Lamb, the O-Linemen, aging DL DeMarcus Lawrence and Micah Parsons. Those are the only players having notable statistical seasons. The CBs Diggs and Bland can get INTs but constantly give up a ton of yards. Everyone else were system role players developed by McCarthy and playing above their talent level thanks to McCarthy’s offense. McCarthy led 8-9–9-8 skill talent to 12-5 seasons. Dallas wasn’t getting double digit wins without McCarthy. The lack of playmakers outside of Lamb showed when he couldn’t win with them in the playoffs. He overachieved with having just Dak, Lamb and great blocking as his nucleus.

Running game was great thanks to McCarthy providing a blocking scheme for ground and pound RBs to be in sync with elite OL. Elliott and Pollard weren’t explosive passcatching backs. The WRs after Lamb were average at best. The success of Cooks and Gallup depended on having a legit WR1 on the field with them. Neither were having dominant games when Lamb missed games.

What? Cooks has been solid. Jake Ferguson is a top 10 TE. That Oline is one of the better ones. Dak is arguably a top 10 QB. Rico Dowdle is a good RB. Tolbert has been a monster whenever he's gotten the ball in his hands and has absolutely shown a knack for taking over games and that's just the offense, not to mention Lamb.

Mazi Smith, Micah Parsons, Eric Kendrick Lawrences. They don't have a single bad player in their starting lineup on defense either. They have less talent holes then most teams. Including the Bills, Commanders who are both in the championship games. Perhaps the Ravens and Eagles are the most talented team, possibly even in the NFL. But the Cowboys are ranked right up there with them in talent. Top 10 in Rank if I remember correctly.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

I don't get this argument that since McCarthy has won a Super Bowl with GB he can't win one with the Saints...
No it hasn't been done yet.. but that doesn't mean it can't be done.

Andy Reid, Dick Vermeil, & Bill Parcells have been to the Super Bowl with multiple teams...

Sooner or later it will happen...

Because McCarthy can't out coach better coaches and its become a trend over the last 7 years. Reid, Vermeil, Parcells.... they all consistently contended with good teams/coaches. McCarthy doesn't. He just gets spanked by em for about the last 7 years.