Sean "Diddy" Combs houses were raided by Feds (Update: Diddy charged) (5 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

President Clinton, Jay-Z, President Obama, possibly Trump too, I'm not sure about Biden/Kamala. He's an industry mogul, so also Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, most hip-hop/rap personalities, like Drake, possibly some East Coast/West Coast underground gang leaders (he started as a producer for a gangsta rapper, Notorious BIG, who ran afoul of West Coast rappers Tupac Shakur, Death Row founder Suge Knight in the mid-late 90's. Beyonce.

Lol

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were having sex parties with Puffy?

And JayZ and Lady Gaga are gonna have him killed while in federal custody?

Come on man.

 

[Saintman2884]

Lol

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were having sex parties with Puffy?

And JayZ and Lady Gaga are gonna have him killed while in federal custody?

Come on man.

He knows them and he's met them. He's probably socialized with them over the years. It's not like he was hosting sex parties at his clubs or in private at his L.A. mansion. It's more like they've told him things, information that most Americans aren't aware or are privy, too over the years. Secrets some power ful people might only confide in others only after they've known them for several years and they feel they can "trust" them. This isn't necessarily like Epstein or on his level. I could certainly see a person like Diddy knowing secret, confidential sheet about Beyonce, Jay-Z, Gaga, Taylor Swift things you and me will never know or hear about until maybe their biographer tell us 40-50 years from now.

You don't have to reductio ad absurdum my argument that way, Chuck. It might sound ridiculous but Diddy knows and has mingled with a lot of celebrities, important people, including leading politicians he hosted functions for, fundraisers, Diddy has done many "Get out the vote" voter registration ads over the years, including "His Vote or Die" ads during the 2008 Presidential election. This isn't the 1950's and 60's anymore where Kennedy brothers, JFK and RFK, are screwing over high-class prostistutes, possible East German/KGB "fly trap" spies, Marilyn Monroe over tons of alcohol and some cocaine with influential mob bosses leering around and taking notes (Eww?? Did I just say that about the Kennedys) in some 5-star NYC hotel. Even a mid/upper tier celebrity like Diddy can be privy or hear or see things happening to powerful people theyd rather not be made public that are highly embarassing.

Diddy isn't Jeffrey Epstein, mind you and many of his former friends would probably deny his claims if they came out under such a scenario played out, but considering P. Diddy used to be a well-respected celebrity/mogul: why would he lie and plus, given how cynical and willing many Americans are to believing conspiracy theories (actual, believable ones, not Ancient Aliens bullshirt or that British royal family are reptilian alien species) there will always be a certain segment that will believe some or most of these claims.

 

[Sun Wukong]

,not Ancient Aliens bullshirt

The Ancient Aliens theory is 100% more coherent and plausible than the Lady Gaga/Taylor Swift/Beyonce led sex trafficking cult you are proposing in this thread.

 

[Saintman2884]

I’ve been around a long time and seen all sorts of things happen - some even unbelievable things - and I’ve also seen people believe things to be true based purely on conjecture and what they want to believe for various reasons including simply that it’s more interesting . . . but were not true or never shown to have any persuasive evidence.

I also believe in evidence and in the demonstrated value of Occam’s Razor. Epstein killing himself is abundantly plausible if not obvious - and there’s no real evidence that some number of unknown entities conspired to his murder despite some abnormalities about the security that night. The counter-factual is appealing because it is intriguing and would validate what many people believe is true about how power functions apart from the law.

But there’s no real evidence of any such conspiracy. And you’re wrong - it wasn’t the coroner who said that, it was a pathologist hired by the Epstein family. The coroner (medical examiner) firmly disagreed with those suppositions.

I despise him for helping to start a false, illegal war but remember Rumsfeld's famous comments about known and unknown and how their known-unknowns, unknown-knowns, or unknown-unknowns? It sounds like either idiotic or annoying word play until you really think about what that means. A good conspiracy, like JFK's assassination, can fool Occam's Razor especially when investigators dont know about all the existing variables even after all the bread crumbs have been swept away and you don't know where to start looking. In those types of situations, Occam's Razor only gives you part of the answer, the rest mostly gets classified as "unknown" or labeled as speculation. And speculation isn't admissible in a court of law, Chuck.


Don't you find that independent pathologist claims about how Epstein's suicide a bit curious and how it was a very odd way to kill one's self and that his investigation and examination found things about how he died that seemed suspicious or could suggest the possibility of foul play?

Ive read some stories about how that official coroner did kind of a cursory review, some people claimed he didnt do a more thorough, harder look but considering that his claims were criticized, yeah, I imagine he would be pissed his report got called out in public. He can firmly disagree with what that private investigator found as much as he wants, that doesn't necessarily mean mistakes werent made during his autopsy.

Ive never heard a decent explanation for why those security abnormalities happened that night

 

[Saintman2884]

The Ancient Aliens theory is 100% more coherent and plausible than the Lady Gaga/Taylor Swift/Beyonce led sex trafficking cult you are proposing in this thread.

I'm not suggesting they did or were involved in anything like that and I wasnt proposing it so stop putting words in my mouth. What did Jeffrey Epstein know about celebrities' bad behavior in his "Little Black Book"? Ever heard about that before and even better, who's listed in it? It lists or suggests some Hollywood celebrities doing some very silly/stupid sheet. That's more in the vein I'm going after, not that Beyonce or Lady Gaga running some sex trafficking cult.

What I was suggesting is that Diddy might know or have proof about embarassing or humiliating things celebrities have done they don't want the public to know about. Things that were covered up by Ray Donovan types. BTW, watch that show's episodes and you'll see where I'm coming from about how Hollywood fixers patch up dsngerous, embarassing sheet celebrities have done and we never hear about it or we hear a highly sanitized version of it all.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Also, known and unknown. Again, I despise him for starting an illegal war that killed close to 1-2 million Iraqis that lasted for 8 years and helped get us involved in another "forever war" in Afghanistan and on the surface, it sounds like idiotic, annoying wordplay trying to be clever but once you really start to think about it, that phrase does begin to make sense and goes a lot deeper about how sometimes highly speculative events or actions can or might be true or half-truths despite the evidence not being their currently 100%.

Dude, stop it now. You're totally jacking the topic of this thread with the drivel that's crossing the political line that's forbidden on the EE.

 

[Saintman2884]

Dude, stop it now. You're totally jacking the topic of this thread with the drivel that's crossing the political line that's forbidden on the EE.

I’ll leave it at this then, Grand. If you believe that their are certain powerful celebrities commit embarrassing or even illegal acts and have to hire “fixers” to cover up and clean-up the incidents themselves or pay off or threaten possible eyewitnesses with money to sign NDA’s to silence them, and considering how Hollywood and the entertainment industry is such a tight, close-knit community, it wouldn’t surprise me if Diddy knew about or was involved in some highly illegal sheet or confidential information they don’t others to know about, I could see a possibility where some might consider “silencing” him.


Then again, I have no hard, consequential evidence that that exists here or with Epstein that their is or was some conspiracy, so perhaps it truly is pointless other than more then a few “variables” not adding up and very few experts are unwilling or don’t have reasonable explanations for these gaps. Occam’s Razor works most of the time but it’s not a complete legal, intellectual or philosophical absolute. There are exceptions when a few of some problems’ major variables are unknown and can’t be explained.


With that, I’m done with this thread.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Then again, I have no hard, consequential evidence that that exists here

You don’t have any evidence of anything here
You’re way out over your skis here

 

[bigdaddysaints]

I’ll leave it at this then, Grand. If you believe that their are certain powerful celebrities commit embarrassing or even illegal acts and have to hire “fixers” to cover up and clean-up the incidents themselves or pay off or threaten possible eyewitnesses with money to sign NDA’s to silence them, and considering how Hollywood and the entertainment industry is such a tight, close-knit community, it wouldn’t surprise me if Diddy knew about or was involved in some highly illegal sheet or confidential information they don’t others to know about, I could see a possibility where some might consider “silencing” him.


Then again, I have no hard, consequential evidence that that exists here or with Epstein that their is or was some conspiracy, so perhaps it truly is pointless other than more then a few “variables” not adding up and very few experts are unwilling or don’t have reasonable explanations for these gaps. Occam’s Razor works most of the time but it’s not a complete legal, intellectual or philosophical absolute. There are exceptions when a few of some problems’ major variables are unknown and can’t be explained.


With that, I’m done with this thread.

if you want to hash it out, you can always head over to the MAP board...

 

[jayd265]

federal charge = hes most likely facing prison time.

they have over 99% win percentage. they just dont lose.

but of course. money talks. we'll see.

with that said. i always like seeing celebrities/sports figures homes. scroll in this article to see the ariel view. looks awesome.

MSN

 

[Saintman2884]

if you want to hash it out, you can always head over to the MAP board...

I haven't been over there for quite some time and I highly doubt they'd be discussing anything close to Jeffrey Epstein or Diddy much less his ties to former Presidents or celebrities, so probably not.

 

[Saintman2884]

You don’t have any evidence of anything here
You’re way out over your skis here

As far as Epstein, Guido, I'm far from the only one who has suspicions or unanswered questions surrounding his death or the timing. Can't prove it though and more then likely, there's nothing of consequence or even strong, circumstantial evidence to suggest anything nefarious happened and I've stated several times that Diddy wasn't anywhere on Epstein's level.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

As far as Epstein, Guido, I'm far from the only one who has suspicions or unanswered questions surrounding his death or the timing. Can't prove it though and more then likely, there's nothing of consequence or even strong, circumstantial evidence to suggest anything nefarious happened and I've stated several times that Diddy wasn't anywhere on Epstein's level.

Then why keep arguing Epstein and secret famous music people orgies wild speculation in a Diddy thread?

 

[superchuck500]

I despise him for helping to start a false, illegal war but remember Rumsfeld's famous comments about known and unknown and how their known-unknowns, unknown-knowns, or unknown-unknowns? It sounds like either idiotic or annoying word play until you really think about what that means. A good conspiracy, like JFK's assassination, can fool Occam's Razor especially when investigators dont know about all the existing variables even after all the bread crumbs have been swept away and you don't know where to start looking. In those types of situations, Occam's Razor only gives you part of the answer, the rest mostly gets classified as "unknown" or labeled as speculation. And speculation isn't admissible in a court of law, Chuck.


Don't you find that independent pathologist claims about how Epstein's suicide a bit curious and how it was a very odd way to kill one's self and that his investigation and examination found things about how he died that seemed suspicious or could suggest the possibility of foul play?

Ive read some stories about how that official coroner did kind of a cursory review, some people claimed he didnt do a more thorough, harder look but considering that his claims were criticized, yeah, I imagine he would be pissed his report got called out in public. He can firmly disagree with what that private investigator found as much as he wants, that doesn't necessarily mean mistakes werent made during his autopsy.

Ive never heard a decent explanation for why those security abnormalities happened that night

Sorry, I misread your post - you did say “independent medical examiner” so I misquoted you there.

Here’s the thing about the security that night. It’s only abnormal if you have examined how often those things (e.g. guards fail to check on inmate per schedule despite logging that they did, and camera malfunctions) actually happen. I suspect in a facility like that, it’s not rare and not altogether surprising.

But more importantly, those things aren’t evidence of murder. Yes, the hired independent examiner concluded that his neck displayed trauma more often associated with foul play rather than suicide but apparently that’s not true in older suicide-by-hanging victims and Epstein was 66.

My point here is not to litigate Epstein’s death. It’s to say that people casually throw it around that he was definitely murdered by those who didn’t want his “secrets” coming out - and so we expect the same any time someone is arrested who may have dirt on people with power or money. The Epstein theory is flimsy at best and counter to what is far less complicated and equally or more likely in origin (Epstein had compelling reasons to kill himself) - so I think the entire premise that Diddy “is gonna get Epstein’d” because he partied with rap moguls is pretty goofy.

 

[superchuck500]

You don't have to reductio ad absurdum my argument that way, Chuck.

I didn’t have to do any reducing, it was already there.