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[saintmdterps]

I'm referring to specific prophetic scriptures being fulfilled that happens before the endtime scenarios come to fruition, not its comparison in history.

If WWII does not evoke thoughts of the endtimes, I don’t know what event would.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

So you advocate removing all guns from society instead of a Federal Assault Weapons Ban or a newer Brady Bill? If we banned assault or most semi-assault weapons, that would take care of a large degree of the problem. Most mass shootings, school shootings have occurred with assault or semi-assault weapons like the El Paso 2019 Wal-Mart shooting?

It also wouldn't give the NRA the rhetorical ammunition that yes, liberal Democrats are coming for your guns and use that against you on social media or in T.V. commercials.

Clearly he doesn't advocate for it as he said it would be impossible to do.

 

[saintmdterps]

Big gun bad crack syndrome. Thats what modern arguments have become. How long till the self defense crowd stakes its claim per usual. Maybe not a pathetic country but certainly a pathetic something. By the way the call and chosing pick your many poisons thing is actually a don't pick thing. so which house gets the nod also gets the professor the others don't.

Beg pardon?

 

[saintjay]

If WWII does not evoke thoughts of the endtimes, I don’t know what event would.

Specifically, the fulfillment of Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38 and 39 in relation to Israel - I know, I know, most think the Bible is not true, etc ...

 

[Saintman2884]

I don't think there isn't just one solution, it needs to be a mix of a few.

You can't remove guns without ALSO tightening gun laws significantly to the point where "bad guys" are significantly de-incentivized from carrying.

Bottom line is we have to do something because "thoughts and prayers" just leads to more deaths.

That's why banning assault or semi assault weapons similar to the 1993 law signed by Clinton would make a huge dent, or go along way to making progress and it wouldn't necessarily fall into the hands, if marketed correctly, that liberal Democrats and progressives are coming to take guns away from law-abiding, gun owners. Closing gun-show loopholes, and tightening background checks and not allowing people with serious mental health issues that to buy or possess firearms. Except for Columbine, how many major mass/school shootings were we having in the 1990's?

FWIW, Who dat, as long as we, or any other country for that matter, has any semblance of a free society, some people will always find ways, however illegal, to find guns or firearms. You can make it extremely difficult and hard like it is in most European countries or in the UK, but you can always go underground or look in dangerous black markets to find it and while some may not succeed, others will. I know thats not a popular sentiment to say here, but its true.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

So you advocate removing all guns from society instead of a Federal Assault Weapons Ban or a newer Brady Bill? If we banned assault or most semi-assault weapons, that would take care of a large degree of the problem. Most mass shootings, school shootings have occurred with assault or semi-assault weapons like the El Paso 2019 Wal-Mart shooting?

It also wouldn't give the NRA the rhetorical ammunition that yes, liberal Democrats are coming for your guns and use that against you on social media or in T.V. commercials.

doing what you said would be as difficult as removing all guns. sad, but true. Just look at Texas, they have a zero red flag law.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

That's why banning assault or semi assault weapons similar to the 1993 law signed by Clinton would make a huge dent, or go along way to making progress and it wouldn't necessarily fall into the hands, if marketed correctly, that liberal Democrats and progressives are coming to take guns away from law-abiding, gun owners. Closing gun-show loopholes, and tightening background checks and not allowing people with serious mental health issues that to buy or possess firearms.

Who dat, as long as we, or any other country for that matter, has any semblance of a free society, some people will always find ways, however illegal to find guns or firearms. You can make it extremely difficult and hard like it is in most European countries or in the UK, but you can always go underground or look in dangerous black markets to find it and while some may not succeed, others will. I know thats not a popular sentiment to say here, but its true.

There you go! Thank you for a cogent reply! Regarding your final point, no one is suggesting stricter laws would eliminate all gun violence. We know some people will still seek them out. But making it more difficult will eliminate some of these types of incidents. Let's not make the perfect the enemy of the good.

 

[SystemShock]

Yep.. we live in a s***hole country.. to be clear, im not commenting on the “whys”.. there are a million different “whys”.. im just talking about facts, and the fact is that we are no better than Beirut or Mogadishu or parts of Mexico .

Well, I can't speak for Beirut or Mogadishu, but as far as MX and violence, indeed, there are parts of the U.S. that aren't any better than parts of the U.S., but also there are parts of MX that are way more dangerous and more violent than anywhere in the U.S. Just in the past 2 days, there were 2 mass shootings, on in Zacatecas (8 dead +more wounded) and one in Tabasco (5 dead + more wounded)

But then there is the type of violence that goes beyond the shooting... for example, a a couple months ago, 5 college students went to see a concert in Jalisco and disappeared. They found them because of the video that was posted on social media of them being executed. Apparently, they got in an argument with another group of young people in a parking lot, the other group pulled out automatic guns, took them to a remote location, made them kneel down on broken glass, and shot them.

You don't see many (any?) reporters or singers in the U.S. gunned down because someone didn't like what they said/sang.

Chiapas, I don't know how to describe Chiapas.

Police in the U.S. don't routinely find bodies chopped like chickens (heads, arms, torso, legs) or mass graves, or execution videos on social media.

There is one other aspect to this level of violence, but I don't want to bring it up here... maybe I do it in MAP.

In any case, yes, gun violence is a problem in the U.S., but I wouldn't compare it to other places.

And lastly, with all of the bad you get with police in the U.S., be glad that you get it that bad with the police in the U.S.

 

[Saintman2884]

If WWII does not evoke thoughts of the endtimes, I don’t know what event would.

The Cold War and the perpetual, the ever-present notion of fear of MAD occuring, nuclear, chemical and biological annihilation of every human and animal species on the planet that most human beings lived under for nearly 45 years after the end of WWII. Two major superpowers with stockpiles of nuclear weapons enough to destroy the world 100x times over and post-apocalytpic world would resemble a charred, unlivable landscape works then than the setting than the Last of Us with Joel and (forgot her name?) criss-crossed a zombie-infected North America.
That's eerily similar to evoking images of Armageddon, end-times events. Then you have the Cuban Missile Crisis, 1983's Able Archer program.

A lot of posters on here are too young to remember how much a fearful, anxious pall your generation and mine (Generation X) lived under with the fear of all-out nuclear warfare for almost half a century.

 

[saintmdterps]

Specifically, the fulfillment of Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38 and 39 in relation to Israel - I know, I know, most think the Bible is not true, etc ...

Israel fought wars in 1948, 1967, and 1973. Not sure why those did not bring about the end of times

Yes I’m a skeptic

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

Israel fought wars in 1948, 1967, and 1973. Not sure why those did not bring about the end of times

Yes I’m a skeptic

Add to that the very public wrongness of every single doomsday prophet in history.

 

[saintmdterps]

The Cold War and the perpetual, the ever-present notion of fear of MAD occuring, nuclear, chemical and biological annihilation of every human and animal species on the planet that most human beings lived under for nearly 45 years after the end of WWII. Two major superpowers with stockpiles of nuclear weapons enough to destroy the world 100x times over and post-apocalytpic world would resemble a charred, unlivable landscape works then than the setting than the Last of Us with Joel and (forgot her name?) criss-crossed a zombie-infected North America.
That's eerily similar to evoking images of Armageddon, end-times events. Then you have the Cuban Missile Crisis, 1983's Able Archer program.

A lot of posters on here are too young to remember how much a fearful, anxious pall your generation and mine (Generation X) lived under with the fear of all-out nuclear warfare for almost half a century.

And we parlayed that Armageddon angst into careless and carefree sex

 

[saintjay]

Israel fought wars in 1948, 1967, and 1973. Not sure why those did not bring about the end of times

Yes I’m a skeptic

The reason is they didn't fulfill Psalm 83, the destruction of Damascus. Also, it didn't escalate to the outer ring countries in Ezekiel 38 and 39.

 

[Saintman2884]

doing what you said would be as difficult as removing all guns. sad, but true. Just look at Texas, they have a zero red flag law.

I'm talking a Federal weapons ban, like they had in 1993 with Clinton. I think that supercedes state laws like Texas, Oklahoma, or even Missouri having zero red flag laws.

And don't tell me it can't be done, after the Parkland shootings in 2018, the state of Florida, with bipartisan support, enacted stronger red flag laws and background checks due to public outrage and the March for Our Lives movement and so far, the state law has done a decent job.

Florida is very much a red state and has been turning that way for some time.

 

[Saint_Ward]

I'm closing this thread as it has resulted in political talk and the usual discussion regarding guns in America, which is most definitely not allowed on the SSF. I'll leave it to another admin/mod (one who is way more active than I am) to decide if this thread should belong on another subforum like the EE, or not.