The continued overreactions by fan base and media is embarrassing (11 Viewers)

[j4m2b]

All this being said, this is not a good look for loomis.

 

[rlemieux]

It’s not missing on anyone. It’s the 2 candidates that knew you better than everyone else saying “Thanks but no thanks”. They couldn’t manage to get these guys in the building. Like it or not that says volumes for where this team is. The argument that there are 32 jobs and they’re all valued is asinine at this point. I think coaches have a much greater understanding of they only get 1 shot to make it right. After you flame out rarely is someone giving you chance number 2 and even if so it takes years to build your reputation up enough to get considered.

Where there’s smoke there is fire and right now it’s more than smoke, it’s open flames. Old team, cap bad for at least 2 years, only way to fix cap is restructuring which prolongs the issue longer and a GM that has never really been more than a numbers guy that is in denial worse than some posters on this site.

 

[reason2believe]

The Saints have been told no or been passed on every coaching cycle in our existence.

Joe Brady is young and the greenest of all the options. High failure rate.

We do have some cap hurdles. Get over it.

Aaron Glenn went to New York where he played ball and got to bring a friend option. So what. 75% of us were crying we didn’t want him either.

Other organizations made terrible hires and nobody is criticizing them. I mean I don’t want the Pete Carroll and Russel Wilson option. PASS.

I don’t want Brian Schitneuer, I mean that’s equivalent To Mickey just hiring kubiak.

People are sky screaming and it’s all absurd. What’s worse is the media leading the crap narrative.

Agreed.

 

[reason2believe]

It’s not missing on anyone. It’s the 2 candidates that knew you better than everyone else saying “Thanks but no thanks”. They couldn’t manage to get these guys in the building. Like it or not that says volumes for where this team is. The argument that there are 32 jobs and they’re all valued is asinine at this point. I think coaches have a much greater understanding of they only get 1 shot to make it right. After you flame out rarely is someone giving you chance number 2 and even if so it takes years to build your reputation up enough to get considered.

Where there’s smoke there is fire and right now it’s more than smoke, it’s open flames. Old team, cap bad for at least 2 years, only way to fix cap is restructuring which prolongs the issue longer and a GM that has never really been more than a numbers guy that is in denial worse than some posters on this site.

Disagree. Over reaction.
We are supposed to be upset about Aaron Glenn picking the Jets over us, and Joe Brady picking to stay in Buffalo, to mean that our franchise sucks? Come on.
Who are these “candidates” that we are treating them like NFL royalty? They have no skins on the wall or any can’t-miss prospects in their bag, for anyone to be looking at their choices as a bad reflection on our team. Stop falling for the media hype. Just stop.

 

[44slayer]

Yes. He didn’t do that here. He quit on us. He was expired here.

Hilarious, you create a thread about fan overreactions, and you are still crying like a lil you know what about a coach leaving after giving us 16 years and a Super Bowl.

Work on you, quit railing on other people for worrying about the present.

Find a Delorean and some plutonium and get back to 2025.

 

[reason2believe]

Sure, but until the Saints prove they can hire the right person and put the work in, I reserve the right as a fan to complain about the choices they make.

The entire premise of your thread is call out people that are just pointing out very clear issues about the state of the team. It's not embarrassing to see that faults and failures of the Saints over the last fours year. Not going to stop rooting for the team to get it right, but also not going to stop calling them out when I think they made a mistake.

Entire point of SSF is for us to all pretend like we know how to run the team better then those hired to do it.

What choices are you calling out?
Sean Payton?
Dennis Allen?
That’s the only 2 choices they have made in the last 15 years.
What is everybody talking about?
Save your lather for when they actually make a choice, and then start your complaining.

 

[reason2believe]

The mental gymnastics that's some Saints fan go through to justify the failures of this team is embarrassing.

We need to stop pretending like this is the same team and organization from just a few years ago. We had a SB winning coach and a HOF QB that gave the team a certain level of respectability.

Not going to stick my head in the dirt and pretend like the team has no problems and that those problems are likely causing some candidates to pass on us. No matter how you spin it, not a good look for all the top candidates to pass you by and even some of the low level are telling you No thanks.

What top candidates?

 

[reason2believe]

It is important to get a Head Coach very soon so he can assemble a coaching staff and start scouting college players. The college all-star games start next week.

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The people (the scouts) are in place already, ready to do scouting. Just saying.

 

[Taker597]

Disagree. Over reaction.
We are supposed to be upset about Aaron Glenn picking the Jets over us, and Joe Brady picking to stay in Buffalo, to mean that our franchise sucks? Come on.
Who are there “candidates” that we are treating them like NFL royalty? They have no skins on the wall or any can’t-miss prospects in their bag, for anyone to be looking at their choices as a bad reflection on our team. Stop falling for the media hype. Just stop.

- Saints currently been out out of the playoffs for 4 years
- Haven't drafted an All-Pro player in 4 years
- Grossly Mismanaged the Salary Cap and burden themselves with old players that they can't get rid of this off-season.
- We have a GM that's completely lost and out of touch with reality that has rubbed people the wrong way
- Coaches that he gave them their head start don't want to give him an interview.
- Saints fired their head coach in November and is the last vacancy.

Like can we stop burying our heads in the sand and just look at the optics of everything that has transpire since Payton left and Loomis trying to make this "His Team". It's been a gigantic failure and young head coaches want nothing to do with it.

You best candidate
- A coach on a sinking ship
- Your Interim Coach
- Rodney Rule Candidate that Loomis would never hire
- An unemployed coach that got dropped by Dallas and pass by an offensive coordinator with no head coaching experience for Chicago.

 

[Hubig]

Mickey Loomis drafted Jonathan Sullivan btw.

 

[reason2believe]

- Saints currently been out out of the playoffs for 4 years
- Haven't drafted an All-Pro player in 4 years
- Grossly Mismanaged the Salary Cap and burden themselves with old players that they can't get rid of this off-season.
- We have a GM that's completely lost and out of touch with reality that has rubbed people the wrong way
- Coaches that he gave them their head start don't want to give him an interview.
- Saints fired their head coach in November and is the last vacancy.

Like can we stop burying our heads in the sand and just look at the optics of everything that has transpire since Payton left and Loomis trying to make this "His Team". It's been a gigantic failure.

You didn’t address anything I said. At all. No one is burying their head in the sand. I am not saying the Saints are in a good spot right now. But to use the argument that AG and Brady turned us down means we are trash - no.
Try to stick to my comments. Not what you think I might be saying.
I am not defending anyone here, but the belly aching over a head coach? Not desirable? Whatever. They have the whole field to themselves now. You have no idea what direction they are going in. There are still coaches in the playoffs they may want to speak to.

Who did we really “miss out on”? Who?
Aaron Glenn? He was my first choice. I like what I seem to detect as grit and leadership. But he wanted to go to the Jets for his own reasons. I do not in any way think he went to the Jets because the Jets are a better organization than the Saints. Do you?

Brady? Not HC material at all. Sorry. I don’t see it.

Who else?

I just don’t like people making inferences that link 1 thing to another when there is no link.

 

[reason2believe]

Mickey Loomis drafted Jonathan Sullivan btw.

What are you saying? We could go down the list of bad draft picks and good draft picks. We could review that Loomis hired Payton and Brees. What’s your point?

 

[Hubig]

What are you saying? We could go down the list of bad draft picks and good draft picks. We could review that Loomis hired Payton and Brees. What’s your point?

That people get lucky and sometimes being lucky is better than being good.

 

[Elvis]

There is so much cope going on with some of you and THAT is the embarrassing part of all of this. I get being loyal to the guys in place while they are in place, but this is getting sad.

 

[NatureBoy]

There are two truths here.

1. The Saints job was not coveted by the upper echelon candidates in this cycle. Like it or not, Loomis has failed miserably for the last handful of years and the next coach faces a serious uphill climb.

2. The Saints don't need a coveted candidate from this coaching cycle. With Dallas hiring Schottenheimer and the Raiders going with Pete, it leaves a nice mix of up and comers (Kellen Moore), young coaches with some experience that might do well on a bounce back opportunity (Kingsbury) and an established NFL HC who has a very similar career profile to that of Sean Payton (McCarthy).

Now, if these three all back out, then there is only 1 truth and that is that this job has almost no appeal to anyone.