The Pete Carmichael Problem (2 Viewers)

[DavidM]

Those 3rd and 1 double reverses in the Bush era haha.

Yeah. Sigh.

 

[SailorJerrysHorse]

I don't think I realized that these plays were on the opening drive, my brain clearly tried hard to forget. If that's the case, then the thing that scares me about these two plays in particular is that they were on a scripted drive. Which means that everyone in the final game planning session on Saturday night signed off on adding these asinine plays into the script. This wasn't Pete trying to be clever in a bubble, this was the whole staff + DC (if we are to believe he's a part of that meeting like DB was) thinking that these were good designs.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Those 3rd and 1 double reverses in the Bush era haha. Oh I actually warned my coworker in the UK that's a Bronco's fan that there will be some WTH plays from time to time with Payton. I just don't remember Brees ever playing FB

The infamous " Reverse" was against the same team!!!

 

[BreesusSaves]

The infamous " Reverse" was against the same team!!!

I remember Payton saying to this day Reggie Bush will randomly bring that playcall up to him

 

[Rouxble]

I’m glad the video is about the double reverse, I’m not investing any energy in defending that.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

The infamous " Reverse" was against the same team!!!

Here it is...ENJOY

"That's a disappointing loss and probably the worst job I've done as head coach since we've been here," said Payton, now in his second season as a head coach. "Obviously, I regret the play call. It cost us the game."

 

[SWJJ]

I’m glad the video is about the double reverse, I’m not investing any energy in defending that.

It's also about the 4th and 1 where Carr is lined up as a FB and Hill is like 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Piggybacking off my 10 guy idea here. It can be done, you gotta make it Hella obvious it's 10 guys tho...on the play before have a guy...a high profile guy (Kamara or Olave...even better the RT: Ram) obviously hobble off field faking an injury then run no huddle with the missing guy obviously on the sidelines. The D will see this point around like a bunch of madmen that there's only 10 guys (especially a missing lineman) then in the midst of the chaos...ballsnap D off guard...easy touchdown

What's Pete's email address?

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Piggybacking off my 10 guy idea here. It can be done, you gotta make it Hella obvious it's 10 guys tho...on the play before have a guy...a high profile guy (Kamara or Olave...even better the RT: Ram) obviously hobble off field faking an injury then run no huddle with the missing guy obviously on the sidelines. The D will see this point around like a bunch of madmen that there's only 10 guys (especially a missing lineman) then in the midst of the chaos...ballsnap D off guard...easy touchdown

What's Pete's email address?

 

[SWJJ]

Piggybacking off my 10 guy idea here. It can be done, you gotta make it Hella obvious it's 10 guys tho...on the play before have a guy...a high profile guy (Kamara or Olave...even better the RT: Ram) obviously hobble off field faking an injury then run no huddle with the missing guy obviously on the sidelines. The D will see this point around like a bunch of madmen that there's only 10 guys (especially a missing lineman) then in the midst of the chaos...ballsnap D off guard...easy touchdown

What's Pete's email address?

IdrawPlayZ@NeworleansSaintsfootball.net

 

[blackadder]

I’m too fuzzy on the circumstances now, but Payton called some WTH play on a critical third down that got blown up by the defense. Either ended up being a turnover or took us out of scoring position or something that spelled our demise in a close game. Somebody will fill in the details.

(And that probably happened more than any of us want to remember.)

There’s no point to that - just something that flashed in my mind thinking about bad play calls.

Absolutely. There was a stretch there where Payton’s OL was weak. Always pushed back off the line. Always a struggle with short yardage or just picking up a yard.

He gave up and often called this gadget junk. There was one I remember at key moment in the game on a 3rd and 1 he called sone janky slow developing TE reverse to Josh Hill that got blown up…

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Don't get mad at me.. I volunteered to be O coordinator in another thread....And 2 people hired me, so this is what y'all get.

 

[kcirdor]

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/16yyhlu

Did Carmicheal instruct Carr to hold the ball so damn long? Doubt it.

 

[SWJJ]

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/16yyhlu

Did Carmicheal instruct Carr to hold the ball so damn long? Doubt it.

Several of the "this guy is open" slides show an open guy, well short of the first down marker on a 3rd down play.

 

[kcirdor]

Several of the "this guy is open" slides show an open guy, well short of the first down marker on a 3rd down play.

Oh, so Sack then? Cool.

Or Triple covered?

Relooking at the slides. your point is null, the guys were wide open with one man to beat for a first, instead of a bomb that was way off target... or a sack... So we can all dump on Carmichael all we want, but Carr should take most of the blame for this game. It was very very bad watching him stare down receivers and hold the ball.