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[St. Geezy]

Well, can I tell a story that happened to me and let you guys here decide?

I was at a retail store looking through a display of books and magazines, so fairly engrossed in that when I realized that another shopper had gotten close to me and I could tell he wasn't actively looking through anything on the shelf. So I focused my attention on him and I could tell he was, um, enjoying himself through his hands in his pocket but didn't expose himself. I looked him in the eye as if to wordlessly communicate, "I see what you are doing and I don't like it", and removed myself from the aisle. I think technically that's illegal and possibly technically an assault.

That’s being a creep and yes probably crosses the line to legal issues.

My issue is with this idea that a man cannot see a female stranger, regardless of setting, and gauge her interest in getting to know them.

As I stated earlier, none of us would even be on this message board right now if one of our parents didn’t holla at the other at some point.

I’m at a loss.

 

[saint_drago]

Well, can I tell a story that happened to me and let you guys here decide?

I was at a retail store looking through a display of books and magazines, so fairly engrossed in that when I realized that another shopper had gotten close to me and I could tell he wasn't actively looking through anything on the shelf. So I focused my attention on him and I could tell he was, um, enjoying himself through his hands in his pocket but didn't expose himself. I looked him in the eye as if to wordlessly communicate, "I see what you are doing and I don't like it", and removed myself from the aisle. I think technically that's illegal and possibly technically an assault.

Oh yeah, that's straight up lewd behavior. That has never been appropriate. Did you report it the store or call the police?

 

[St. Geezy]

Heaven forbid one human in their prime years finds another human sexually attractive and pursues them to want to get to know them and eventually have sex with them.

What a bunch of weirdos…all 99% of us.

Damn you, biology.

 

[Madmarsha]

Oh yeah, that's straight up lewd behavior. That has never been appropriate. Did you report it the store or call the police?

Nope.

 

[Madmarsha]

Why are you interjecting definitively that he was trying to “hook up” with her in this sense?

It appears to be a pursuit…he finds the woman attractive, and wants to get to know her better, likely in hopes of at some point forming a bond and/or having sex with her.

Isn’t this pretty much the story of mankind? Isn’t this how you and I are both here to be able to post on this message board currently?

Nope. We were all conceived immaculately. No way our parents had sex. Nope. Not thinking about it.

 

[itztime]

I don't think men should be trying to hook up with women they don't know in normal situations.

Sure, maybe 1 out of 10 are down for it, but the other 9 women shouldn't have to put up with being hit on by random strangers, when they aren't in a situation that suggests they are out looking to be hit on. Especially if they are at work and required to be nice to customers.

Out at the club, fine. Almost anywhere else, you shouldn't be hitting on women at all.

Well its the hotel bar situated at the lobby as most are. As a business traveler and a person who frequents the hotel bar. Its a small breeding ground for dad bods and hungry older women, with some looking for midnight rendezvous. Ive witnessed dudes take their shot, some succeed and some don't. My co-worker often gets drinks sent to her and she sends them right back, she gets so angry because she is there to grab a quick meal and a horn dog is there preying on women flying solo.

 

[Madmarsha]

Um…how do you suggest people actually meet then? WTH?

I was under the impression everyone meets online these days.

 

[jasonsw]

Unfortunately at that time coke addiction was prevalent in society and sports. There was one very prominent baseball player who always slid headfirst to avoid breaking the vials of cocaine in his back pocket

Good ole Rocky Raines

 

[Madmarsha]

Well its the hotel bar situated at the lobby as most are. As a business traveler and a person who frequents the hotel bar. Its a small breeding ground for dad bods and hungry older women, with some looking for midnight rendezvous. Ive witnessed dudes take their shot, some succeed and some don't. My co-worker often gets drinks sent to her and she sends them right back, she gets so angry because she is there to grab a quick meal and a horn dog is there preying on women flying solo.

Dude sends me a drink, I'm drinking it as long as I've seen the bartender make it without GHB.

 

[St. Geezy]

I don't think men should be trying to hook up with women they don't know in normal situations.

Sure, maybe 1 out of 10 are down for it, but the other 9 women shouldn't have to put up with being hit on by random strangers, when they aren't in a situation that suggests they are out looking to be hit on. Especially if they are at work and required to be nice to customers.

Out at the club, fine. Almost anywhere else, you shouldn't be hitting on women at all.

I should also point out that you’re wildly mistaken on your 1 out of 10 estimation. Unless you’re just an ugly guy or don’t know how to read signals, shooting shots out of your league, etc., you should be doing much better than 1 out of 10.

You’d be surprised. These girls know what they want and many times are just waiting on the man to make a move. This isn’t a green light to assault of course, but stepping up to a girl to try to gauge interest, express that you’re attracted to them, etc. is a practice of our species essentially since the dawn of man.

I’m very curious about your background, your social experience, are you married and if so how did you meet your spouse, etc.

Your conversation points are just very odd to me.

 

[itztime]

Dude sends me a drink, I'm drinking it as long as I've seen the bartender make it without GHB.

I always ask her did you drink it? Her reply everytime is hell no, he can take that sheet back.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

If trying to meet folks as happenstance in public is taboo...should we try to find it at work?

I don't go out much, the grocery store, restaurants and work are my 3 go tos

 

[Madmarsha]

I should also point out that you’re wildly mistaken on your 1 out of 10 estimation. Unless you’re just an ugly guy or don’t know how to read signals, shooting shots out of your league, etc., you should be doing much better than 1 out of 10.

You’d be surprised. These girls know what they want and many times are just waiting on the man to make a move.

I’m very curious about your background, your social experience, are you married and if so how did you meet your spouse, etc.

Your conversation points are just very odd to me.

But he also wrote: ".... but the other 9 women shouldn't have to put up with being hit on by random strangers, when they aren't in a situation that suggests they are out looking to be hit on." This is what I was saying, most men aren't really taking the thought into account that a woman alone is inherently more vulnerable even if she doesn't LOOK vulnerable or heck even if she herself is being cavalier about it. A situation can turn on a dime. I've seen the ID Channel!

 

[St. Geezy]

But he also wrote: ".... but the other 9 women shouldn't have to put up with being hit on by random strangers, when they aren't in a situation that suggests they are out looking to be hit on." This is what I was saying, most men aren't really taking the thought into account that a woman alone is inherently more vulnerable even if she doesn't LOOK vulnerable or heck even if she herself is being cavalier about it. A situation can turn on a dime. I've seen the ID Channel!

Yeah I just don’t agree with that. You may not ever see that person again.

Obviously my point of view involves keeping it classy and not being a creep, but if I am single and I see a girl working that I like, and I have seen some hint of a signal (we all know that eye thing we do to acknowledge mutual attraction with one another, even sometimes unintentionally), I’m going for it if I’m in the mood to and don’t see a ring.

 

[MSUSousaphone]

We do need to put maximum effort into making the world a better place for all people and, specifically in this conversation, women to feel comfortable and safe living how they want to live.

That being said, when broken down, the "you shouldn't approach someone" and "I would have felt uncomfortable in that situation" takes are fear and anxiety based. Laws and cultural norms that are based off of fear and anxiety never end well. Triggers are to be worked on, not to be used to govern others.