The Playmaker Michael Irvin Pulled from All Super Bowl Coverage/NFL Network (09/14 EDIT: Irvin settles his defamation suit w/hotel, returns to NFLN) (3 Viewers)

[platinumvinnyv]

Asking for her number, is considered "holla" ing?

But you probably shouldn't even be asking women for their number while they are at work like the woman Irvin was interacting with was.

What... Yes most time when you holla at a woman you either asking for her number or asking her out etc... I ask my wife for her number while she was at work while she behind the counter at CVS. I move to a new city and I wanted to eventually find a partner. There was no tender and if I just walked around aimless and not holla at any women I would just be old and lonely. Out of all the women I ask for they number they either

1. Gave it to me
2. Said they were flattered but had a boyfriend, which I apologize and that was end of it

 

[Madmarsha]

Exactly.

Somewhere along the way as a society, we seem to have lost any sense of demarcation between criminal behavior, civilly liable behavior, and boorish behavior.

All are wrong. All are not equally wrong.

Sorry, I didn't proofread what I wrote in my post, I meant NOT approaching him. Not sure if this changes your agreement.

As a woman, I've been in any number of positions where I was keenly aware of my vulnerabilty. I'm not sure men always consider that aspect when THEY don't have bad intentions. But so far, I've never found myself in a situation that I thought I needed to press charges. I've been able to remove myself in some way before I found out whether it was a truly DANGEROUS sitch or just extremely uncomfortable. I try to be aware such as not being so engrossed in my phone when in public by myself. Having said that, I really need to take a self defense course.

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

What... Yes most time when you holla at a woman you either asking for her number or asking her out etc... I ask my wife for her number while she was at work while she behind the counter at CVS. I move to a new city and I wanted to eventually find a partner. There was no tender and if I just walked around aimless and not holla at any women I would just be old and lonely. Out of all the women I ask for they number they either

1. Gave it to me
2. Said they were flattered but had a boyfriend, which I apologize and that was end of it

Yea, you probably shouldn't have been harassing the clerk at CVS, but i am glad it worked out for you both.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

I don't think men should be trying to hook up with women they don't know in normal situations.

Sure, maybe 1 out of 10 are down for it, but the other 9 women shouldn't have to put up with being hit on by random strangers, when they aren't in a situation that suggests they are out looking to be hit on. Especially if they are at work and required to be nice to customers.

Out at the club, fine. Almost anywhere else, you shouldn't be hitting on women at all.

so now we're at a point we shouldn't even be talking to people any more? what is going on in the world?

 

[saint_drago]

I don't think men should be trying to hook up with women they don't know in normal situations.

Sure, maybe 1 out of 10 are down for it, but the other 9 women shouldn't have to put up with being hit on by random strangers, when they aren't in a situation that suggests they are out looking to be hit on. Especially if they are at work and required to be nice to customers.

Out at the club, fine. Almost anywhere else, you shouldn't be hitting on women at all.

I get what you're saying. I really do. I was never the type of guy who walked up to a woman I have never met and asked for her number or anything like that. That just wasn't me. Now that I think about it I was never in a relationship that wasn't initiated by the woman. But I had friends who weren't shy and they would try to talk to women and get their number. Not in an aggressive way or anything, just normal flirting. Now that is inappropriate and offensive. Just a different time.

 

[platinumvinnyv]

Yea, you probably shouldn't have been harassing the clerk at CVS, but i am glad it worked out for you both.

Harassing,

10 yrs later and 3 beautiful daughters later I glad I "Harass" the clerk by saying "Can I have your number".

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

so now we're at a point we shouldn't even be talking to people any more? what is going on in the world?

Not if you are talking to them because you hope they will have sex with you.

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

I get what you're saying. I really do. I was never the type of guy who walked up to a woman I have never met and asked for her number or anything like that. That just wasn't me. Now that I think about it I was never in a relationship that wasn't initiated by the woman. But I had friends who weren't shy and they would try to talk to women and get their number. Not in an aggressive way or anything, just normal flirting. Now that is inappropriate and offensive. Just a different time.

It was probably always offensive to most of the women they interacted with, the women just didn't feel comfortable expressing that.

Women should be able to go to work or the grocery store without having to rebuff men's advances.

Just because it has worked for guys in the past, doesn't mean it was ever appropriate, and didn't at least annoy many of the women on the receiving end.

 

[St. Geezy]

They probably never should have been doing that.

Um…how do you suggest people actually meet then? WTH?

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

Um…how do you suggest people actually meet then? WTH?

I dunno, there are literally an infinite number of ways that don't involve propositioning someone you don't know who was just going about their day.

 

[jasonsw]

I don't know or care anything about his personal life, but Michael Irvin is plain terrible. Nothing comes out from his mouth but loud noise and very hot air

 

[Madmarsha]

so now we're at a point we shouldn't even be talking to people any more? what is going on in the world?

I don't want us to get all up in the weeds over this. I love talking to strangers. I love if a man has indicated he thinks I'm attractive. But there are clearly women who would find that at the least not complimentary and unwelcome; at the most, aggressive I guess.

I had a man once tell me a couple years ago in a social setting and also in front of his wife: "I admire you." I guess I looked confused and he explained: "I just think you are a very attractive woman". I smiled and said, "Oh, thank you very much." Took it at face value that that's all he meant, no more, no less. Since his wife didn't seem alarmed, I'm guessing he's done that sort of thing before. I hate to think as people we can't just say nice things to other people.

 

[St. Geezy]

I don't think men should be trying to hook up with women they don't know in normal situations.

Sure, maybe 1 out of 10 are down for it, but the other 9 women shouldn't have to put up with being hit on by random strangers, when they aren't in a situation that suggests they are out looking to be hit on. Especially if they are at work and required to be nice to customers.

Out at the club, fine. Almost anywhere else, you shouldn't be hitting on women at all.

Why are you interjecting definitively that he was trying to “hook up” with her in this sense?

It appears to be a pursuit…he finds the woman attractive, and wants to get to know her better, likely in hopes of at some point forming a bond and/or having sex with her.

Isn’t this pretty much the story of mankind? Isn’t this how you and I are both here to be able to post on this message board currently?

 

[St. Geezy]

I dunno, there are literally an infinite number of ways that don't involve propositioning someone you don't know who was just going about their day.

“Propositioning?” By seeing someone you like and you’re attracted to and acting on it?

I’ve met more than one girlfriend during my time while they were working.

This is absurd.

 

[Madmarsha]

Can someone explain this to me, in todays world you can sexually assault someone without any physical contact whatsoever ? or am I missing something?..

Well, can I tell a story that happened to me and let you guys here decide?

I was at a retail store looking through a display of books and magazines, so fairly engrossed in that when I realized that another shopper had gotten close to me and I could tell he wasn't actively looking through anything on the shelf. So I focused my attention on him and I could tell he was, um, enjoying himself through his hands in his pocket but didn't expose himself. I looked him in the eye as if to wordlessly communicate, "I see what you are doing and I don't like it", and removed myself from the aisle. I think technically that's illegal and possibly technically an assault.