The ridiculous violence in N.O. (2 Viewers)

[SpinalTarp]

- growing up in an environment where thousands didn't have to work hard for the things they have so they look for easy ways out with government handouts (which in turn, creates a sense of entitlement)

These murders did not happen because they were standing in the welfare line waiting for handouts. These murders happened because these kids realized they they could buy an assault rifle and take what they want rather than wait around and have someone give it to them.

 

[Bayouboy]

Can anyone answer this:

Why are there hundreds of murders in New Orleans, yet across the parish line in St. Bernard you rarely hear of a murder. Same goes for the river parishes and down the bayou. Does anyone really think poverty does not exist in our fishing communities along the coast? Are the best schools packed in St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes? What is it that makes the metro New Orleans area so freakin' dangerous????

 

[saintsdude76]

Curbing the violence in New Orleans will never happen because the solutions to said violence would insult the politically correct sensibilities of too many people in New Orleans.

A man is shot in the face while holding his baby in broad daylight. No marches, no outcry form the reverends or community leaders. However, if a black man stopped on the street without probable cause to be "shaked down" by the NOPD and is found to have a weapon while on parole, well, then it's 1965 all over again. This is an injustice to the black community. Now we're talking marches on city hall.

Do you see the difference? Things will never change as long as the guilty are protected, if not celebrated. The victims are forgotten, if not swept under the rug before a tourist sees them.

 

[El Caliente]

Can anyone answer this:

Why are there hundreds of murders in New Orleans, yet across the parish line in St. Bernard you rarely hear of a murder. Same goes for the river parishes and down the bayou. Does anyone really think poverty does not exist in our fishing communities along the coast? Are the best schools packed in St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes? What is it that makes the metro New Orleans area so freakin' dangerous????

New Orleans is a happenin place. One day you can catch beads, and the next moment you can catch a bullet.

 

[St. Geezy]

These murders did not happen because they were standing in the welfare line waiting for handouts. These murders happened because these kids realized they they could buy an assault rifle and take what they want rather than wait around and have someone give it to them.

Agreed. The point I was making there though is that they were in an environment where not working for what you get is a norm. I;m not saying that they're the "thousands," I'm just saying that they are around those "thousands."

 

[bornnraisedwhodat]

Curbing the violence in New Orleans will never happen because the solutions to said violence would insult the politically correct sensibilities of too many people in New Orleans.

A man is shot in the face while holding his baby in broad daylight. No marches, no outcry form the reverends or community leaders. However, if a black man stopped on the street without probable cause to be "shaked down" by the NOPD and is found to have a weapon while on parole, well, then it's 1965 all over again. This is an injustice to the black community. Now we're talking marches on city hall.

Do you see the difference? Things will never change as long as the guilty are protected, if not celebrated. The victims are forgotten, if not swept under the rug before a tourist sees them.

There have been plenty of marches on violence.

Im sick of damn marches.

And nobody in the black community is outraged by petty shake downs by NOPD, those are the norm in the hood. People get outraged with corrupt, trigger happy police that could care less about people's rights.

Race has very little do with it. It has something to do with it though. There isnt any doubt there is a problem in the black community. High rates of single mothers, broken families due to a biased legal system, poor educational infrastructure, the crack epidimic, etc. A bunch of thing.

You dont have to be politically incorrect to fix this problem, because it has little do with race.

 

[DaveXA]

A positive attitude about a problem will not correct it. "Wishing" things were better will not actually make them better!!! Actions people, actions. It all starts with parenting IMO.

I agree with action, but actions won't start without a desire and positive attitude to make a difference in the first place.

 

[krushing]

Curbing the violence in New Orleans will never happen because the solutions to said violence would insult the politically correct sensibilities of too many people in New Orleans.

A man is shot in the face while holding his baby in broad daylight. No marches, no outcry form the reverends or community leaders. However, if a black man stopped on the street without probable cause to be "shaked down" by the NOPD and is found to have a weapon while on parole, well, then it's 1965 all over again. This is an injustice to the black community. Now we're talking marches on city hall.

Do you see the difference? Things will never change as long as the guilty are protected, if not celebrated. The victims are forgotten, if not swept under the rug before a tourist sees them.

Yep, an as it starts spilling into better neighborhoods, more folks will get the kahonies to say exactly this.

 

[Crandal]

I am tired of blaming the police, the government, the schools, the parents, the mayor etc etc. We just have to accept the fact that we have alot of bad bad people in this city and no amount of money, gov programs, schools is going to change them. Do I have an answer no, but it seems neither does anyone else.

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

I will take a stab.

The proxmity of low income neighborhoods to higher income neighborhoods and the business district is a factor. But another reason is the disproportionately large underclass in the city that lives entirely in the present and that has no future, and the relative lack of resources because a disproportionately small middle class produces insufficient tax renenue to support the police department and other law enforcemenr infrastructure needed.

But crime on this level is not a new problem. You can go back 40 years and find the same debate over crime.

 

[BobE]

awesome thread after i just booked my trip

 

[Big_L]

My turn.

I am gonna call out my fellow brothas and sisters on this. As a community on whole, black people tend to glamorize violence and material things; $5k rims on $2500 cars, loud stereo in said vehicle, clothes, tennis shoes, stuff that depreciates over time. It seems to me that if you have some knowledge in school and can pronounce your words correctly you get called a sell out and white boy (even though I am real light), etc. As a community we have to change our view on education and want our children to have a better life, only then can we move past all this violence and destruction. New Orleans is a microcosim of the rest of the country. I am stuck here in Wichita for the next few weeks and it's the same here. It's the same in San Antonio and Houston. Its a state of mind and keeping the eye on a prize that really is attainable in a legit manner if the people simply educate themselves and get decent jobs.

 

[bozoka45]

Curbing the violence in New Orleans will never happen because the solutions to said violence would insult the politically correct sensibilities of too many people in New Orleans.

A man is shot in the face while holding his baby in broad daylight. No marches, no outcry form the reverends or community leaders. However, if a black man stopped on the street without probable cause to be "shaked down" by the NOPD and is found to have a weapon while on parole, well, then it's 1965 all over again. This is an injustice to the black community. Now we're talking marches on city hall.

Do you see the difference? Things will never change as long as the guilty are protected, if not celebrated. The victims are forgotten, if not swept under the rug before a tourist sees them.

This is interesting. Two thoughts. First, all over MidCity, graffiti asks for Justice for Trayvon and Justice for Justin Sipp. I understand that their killers were of a different race and were authority figures, but if we believe the killers' story, the killings weren't as senseless as the killings we're seeing everyday. Why isn't there public outcry against the black on black crime? Why aren't Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton raising hell about these senseless murders?

Of all the possible causes that have been mentioned, no one has mentioned gun control laws. Without guns, none of these murders happen. But no one in Louisiana wants to give up their right to bear arms. At what point do we start to crack down on the weapon that's allowing criminals to kill innocent people? It may be one of the few short-term solutions.

 

[DefKhan1]

In NO particular order:
1) Crappy education - Ineffective, lack of discipline in schools, etc.
2) Incarcerated parents.
3) Teenage pregnancy with absent dads.
4) #3 Compounded by absent/incarcerated/immature grandparents.
5) Drug trade. (Not that these kids are hooked, but rather selling.)

And all of the above predisposing factors are increasing, so it's only going to get worse, folks.

 

[Dre]

Is it really any worse than it used to be? This is important for me, because I plan on moving back in about 2 years (wy wife's training timeline). I have lived in NOLA, DC, and Baltimore for almost my whole life... All "unsafe" places, but since those were my homes, I was never bothered by it. I've lived in Nashville for 2 years, and this is the only place I have ever felt safe (I think this is because crime is isolated to certain areas and I don't live in any of those). I went to Baltimore a few months ago, and I remember feeling kind of afraid... That was a first, and I'm fairly certain it was because I got used to Nashville. Anyway, long story short, I want to move back, and I'm willing to accept a certain lack of safety. I can even psychologically get over this new fear, IF it is like it used to be. But if it is that much worse, I might have second thoughts. That being said, most people I know seem to think it is about the same, but some posts here make it sound like it has gotten significantly worse.