The ridiculous violence in N.O. (4 Viewers)

[Dre]

so it's only going to get worse, folks.

Well god ******* damn it

 

[diat150]

the thug culture is too far ingrained. the cycle of crime in new orleans will never be stopped.

 

[Zack Lee]

My turn.

I am gonna call out my fellow brothas and sisters on this. As a community on whole, black people tend to glamorize violence and material things; $5k rims on $2500 cars, loud stereo in said vehicle, clothes, tennis shoes, stuff that depreciates over time. It seems to me that if you have some knowledge in school and can pronounce your words correctly you get called a sell out and white boy (even though I am real light), etc. As a community we have to change our view on education and want our children to have a better life, only then can we move past all this violence and destruction. New Orleans is a microcosim of the rest of the country. I am stuck here in Wichita for the next few weeks and it's the same here. It's the same in San Antonio and Houston. Its a state of mind and keeping the eye on a prize that really is attainable in a legit manner if the people simply educate themselves and get decent jobs.

good post. I think most would agree with the part of your quote I put in bold. I just wonder who has the plan and actual steps to get that in place. It seems to me that hopelessness gets passed from one generation to the next these days. I see kids that don't see that there is a better way and if I get to see there parents most of the time I don't see a person who believed they had a shot in life. There just does not seem to be the same attitude of "I want my kids to have better than me", that this country was built on.

Who has the actual road map? I know one part is we have to have better qualified and better paid teachers. I am sure we can all remember what an impact and inspiration a truly gifted teacher can have on us. But we still have to change the attitude of the parents IMO and that is a tall order.

 

[Crandal]

This is interesting. Two thoughts. First, all over MidCity, graffiti asks for Justice for Trayvon and Justice for Justin Sipp. I understand that their killers were of a different race and were authority figures, but if we believe the killers' story, the killings weren't as senseless as the killings we're seeing everyday. Why isn't there public outcry against the black on black crime? Why aren't Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton raising hell about these senseless murders?

Of all the possible causes that have been mentioned, no one has mentioned gun control laws. Without guns, none of these murders happen. But no one in Louisiana wants to give up their right to bear arms. At what point do we start to crack down on the weapon that's allowing criminals to kill innocent people? It may be one of the few short-term solutions.

Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton arent raising hell over black on black crimes because theres no money in it. Both are simply race instigators.

You think taking guns away is going to stop people from killing each other? People have been killing each other before guns were invented. Gun control is a joke, all that would do is take guns away from innocent people and the thugs would still be able to have their guns.

 

[krushing]

awesome thread after i just booked my trip

No problem. I go all the time. Just stay around the quarter and you'll be just fine. As long as you don't venture into the projects in search of crack and 5 dollar hookers, you'll be in one of the most policed cities in the country. There are just neighborhoods that won't work with police and won't stand up to violence. As soon as that mess crosses into tourist sections, the police shut it down. Also be careful after 1 am on the week days. You'll have a great safe time.

 

[DaveXA]

the thug culture is too far ingrained. the cycle of crime in new orleans will never be stopped.

Self fulfilling prophecy? Hmmm.

 

[shane]

The causes are complex and varies from person to person.
I think a lack of morality, low value of life and a loss of identity due to the breakdown of family support has as much to do with what's happening than financial circumstances.

Just curious Dave, what do you think has led to the breakdown of family support?

 

[SaintBrad]

the thug culture is too far ingrained. the cycle of crime in new orleans will never be stopped.

I agree. Thug culture is the main culprit here. I dont see a way to drown it out or remove it.

 

[bornnraisedwhodat]

My turn.

I am gonna call out my fellow brothas and sisters on this. As a community on whole, black people tend to glamorize violence and material things; $5k rims on $2500 cars, loud stereo in said vehicle, clothes, tennis shoes, stuff that depreciates over time. It seems to me that if you have some knowledge in school and can pronounce your words correctly you get called a sell out and white boy (even though I am real light), etc. As a community we have to change our view on education and want our children to have a better life, only then can we move past all this violence and destruction. New Orleans is a microcosim of the rest of the country. I am stuck here in Wichita for the next few weeks and it's the same here. It's the same in San Antonio and Houston. Its a state of mind and keeping the eye on a prize that really is attainable in a legit manner if the people simply educate themselves and get decent jobs.

I here ya on that one bro.

Be careful about lumping the entire "black community" together though.

There are lots of us, I'd even go as far to say the majority of us do not glamorize voilence and have a very high view of education.

But it is a large minority of a bad element in the black population. Just a guestimate, I'd say about 35%.

But those are the ones heard and seen most often, on the news, or in the streets causing mayhem.

When the other 65% of us either do nothing, move away and shut our eyes and close our ears to what is really going on out there.

At the end of the day, white people, the government, etc cant and wont do anything to fix our problems. We as a community are the only ones with the power to do so. Instead of marching for Travon we should be focusing our energy on the countless black bodies being stacked up at the hands of our own black people.

It's a sad situation, glad you spoke up tho.

 

[bornnraisedwhodat]

good post. I think most would agree with the part of your quote I put in bold. I just wonder who has the plan and actual steps to get that in place. It seems to me that hopelessness gets passed from one generation to the next these days. I see kids that don't see that there is a better way and if I get to see there parents most of the time I don't see a person who believed they had a shot in life. There just does not seem to be the same attitude of "I want my kids to have better than me", that this country was built on.

Who has the actual road map? I know one part is we have to have better qualified and better paid teachers. I am sure we can all remember what an impact and inspiration a truly gifted teacher can have on us. But we still have to change the attitude of the parents IMO and that is a tall order.

There is no immediate solution. It just takes a lot of people putting in the effort to spread positivetly, a putting a great value on education, and good stable moral value. Im not talkin' religion, just values such as respect yours and other's property, value life, respect your elders, work hard, value a good education, etc. Those little simple values are deteriorating day by day.

 

[inetnawlins]

Is it really any worse than it used to be? This is important for me, because I plan on moving back in about 2 years (wy wife's training timeline). I have lived in NOLA, DC, and Baltimore for almost my whole life... All "unsafe" places, but since those were my homes, I was never bothered by it. I've lived in Nashville for 2 years, and this is the only place I have ever felt safe (I think this is because crime is isolated to certain areas and I don't live in any of those). I went to Baltimore a few months ago, and I remember feeling kind of afraid... That was a first, and I'm fairly certain it was because I got used to Nashville. Anyway, long story short, I want to move back, and I'm willing to accept a certain lack of safety. I can even psychologically get over this new fear, IF it is like it used to be. But if it is that much worse, I might have second thoughts. That being said, most people I know seem to think it is about the same, but some posts here make it sound like it has gotten significantly worse.

It is worse. Used to there were safe areas of town where things didn't happen. No more. The violence has spilled into just about every part of the city.

 

[inetnawlins]

No problem. I go all the time. Just stay around the quarter and you'll be just fine. As long as you don't venture into the projects in search of crack and 5 dollar hookers, you'll be in one of the most policed cities in the country. There are just neighborhoods that won't work with police and won't stand up to violence. As soon as that mess crosses into tourist sections, the police shut it down. Also be careful after 1 am on the week days. You'll have a great safe time.

Hate to disagree but that most most policed city statement is crap. You are on your own. The Quarter has incidents constantly including on Bourbon in what would be considered the heart of tourist areas. As in open gunfights in a crowd or murders in the back of the quarter. The last month we've had shoot outs on busy streets like Carrollton. I drove through about 10 minutes before they opened fire. It's the randomness of it that is disconcerting.

 

[Geldo]

The rise in violence is a natural consequence of the selfish me-first culture that has infected the whole of Anglo-American society since Thatcher, Reagan and Friedman rose to prominence and put an end to the concept of society - replacing it with the cult of individual success.

We worship celebrities, billionaires, money, personal success, personal fulfilment, individual freedom (which is largely a sham choice of what stupid saying you want emblazened on your Nikes), and have progressively turned our backs on any form of cooperative, collective endeavour, because it smacks of Socialism.

We are fascinated by TV shows that reveal the fabulous lives of spoiled crib-obsessed 'celebs' and showcase the outrageous wealth and privilege of corporate bullies, we do the lottery not to change the lives of our fellow man but to join the elite club ourselves.

Rampant inequality and social injustice permeate every layer of society and yet the downtrodden prefer to prey on each other for a quick hit than to reject selfishness and work together to create a caring, supportive alternative society.

In an internet age it doesn't cost a fortune to set up people's universities, home-study groups and libraries. We could share our unwanted possessions, use churches as creches and schools, recruit reformed drug addicts and gang bangers and pay them to work in the community - giving them an honest source of income and a chance to stop the next-generation falling prey to the same cycle of alienation and violence.

 

[Zack Lee]

so Reagan played a part in this? He sure got it past me, but I was young.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

The rise in violence is a natural consequence of the selfish me-first culture that has infected the whole of Anglo-American society since Thatcher, Reagan and Friedman rose to prominence and put an end to the concept of society - replacing it with the cult of individual success.

We worship celebrities, billionaires, money, personal success, personal fulfilment, individual freedom (which is largely a sham choice of what stupid saying you want emblazened on your Nikes), and have progressively turned our backs on any form of cooperative, collective endeavour, because it smacks of Socialism.

We are fascinated by TV shows that reveal the fabulous lives of spoiled crib-obsessed 'celebs' and showcase the outrageous wealth and privilege of corporate bullies, we do the lottery not to change the lives of our fellow man but to join the elite club ourselves.

Rampant inequality and social injustice permeate every layer of society and yet the downtrodden prefer to prey on each other for a quick hit than to reject selfishness and work together to create a caring, supportive alternative society.

In an internet age it doesn't cost a fortune to set up people's universities, home-study groups and libraries. We could share our unwanted possessions, use churches as creches and schools, recruit reformed drug addicts and gang bangers and pay them to work in the community - giving them an honest source of income and a chance to stop the next-generation falling prey to the same cycle of alienation and violence.

excellent post.. a lot of truth in there.