There's a QB in this draft who's not being discused that will be better than the guys drafted ahead of him

[3ParStillDriver]

BYU was able to confuse him with different defensive looks and blitzes. That's something he will have to work on and develop. That was not his best outing.
The rest of the QB class is going to have many of those same growing pains once they go up against NFL defenses as well. I didn't say he is perfect. I said he has the mental aspect down better than the rest of the QB class. I stick to that assessment.
We're not drafting a QB this draft anyway, I don't expect. An unimportant hill really.

Just have to agree to disagree. Will Howard is much less of an athlete then Sanders, and Howard was able to mentally process and correctly diagnose confusing defensive looks very well against much better, and more talented defenses then BYU and Nebraska. As did Ewers, McCord and Gabriel.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Something to consider, on topic about the question of the thread.

These questions really don't make any sense without certain context. Example, if Ward were to go to the Rams he would be good. If Dart were to go to the Rams he would be good. But if Dart went to the Browns he likely would not succeed. If Ward went to the Browns his chances for success dwindle greatly.

So, in this scenario Dart would end up likely being much better if he went to the Rams, spent two years behind Stafford and took over then Ward going to the Browns. Same vice versa.

But if we imagined both going to the Rams, Ward I think would have the greater chance of success then Dart going to the Rams.

 

[MemphoJoe]

Just have to agree to disagree. Will Howard is much less of an athlete then Sanders, and Howard was able to mentally process and correctly diagnose confusing defensive looks very well against much better, and more talented defenses then BYU and Nebraska. As did Ewers, McCord and Gabriel.

I like McCord a lot more than the scout sites apparently. I could see him drafted as high as the 2nd round. I think he is the best pure passer of this class.
I have not been impressed with Ewers. When watching Texas games he missed several easy throws. I personally couldn't make those throws but should have been fairly easy for him that is.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

I like McCord a lot more than the scout sites apparently. I could see him drafted as high as the 2nd round. I think he is the best pure passer of this class.
I have not been impressed with Ewers. When watching Texas games he missed several easy throws. I personally couldn't make those throws but should have been fairly easy for him that is.

we certainly agree there on both accounts. I wouldn't want to touch Ewers at all. Howard is very unexciting also to me, but McCord would be a very interesting pickup.

 

[Winsett]

One thing is certain about Brady Cook, Kellen Moore is going to know everything we need to know about him since Moore's brother, Kirby Moore, is the OC at Mizzou.

This is a cool tidbit that I hadn't seen anywhere, and didn't realize. Thanks St. Widge!

I wonder if they share similarities in scheme. Looks like Kirby Moore also coached Haener at Fresno St, so he may have opinions on what Brady Cook offers relative to a current backup already on the team.

This is relevant for prospects like Armand Membou and Luther Burden III too. I've seen both mocked to us in the 1st round numerous times throughout the cycle.

 

[MemphoJoe]

we certainly agree there on both accounts. I wouldn't want to touch Ewers at all. Howard is very unexciting also to me, but McCord would be a very interesting pickup.

I have been told Ewers suffered an oblique injury vs Michigan early in the season. And that may have changed his throwing mechanics. But when I search online for games to watch all I find are 2024 games. Or it's the 2023 game vsBama. Like you say, I'm not interested. I'm sure teams have everything they need to fully scout though.

 

[bleedit1960]

Kyle McCord


Some sleeper QB's that may surprise.
Seth Henigan
Cam Miller NDSU
Miles Hastings U C Davis

A sleeper that is finally getting talked about Hunter Dekkers.

 

[MemphoJoe]

So..... is this a bad QB class or not?

 

[WilliamBrees]

He didn't show it. His pocket presence was concerning for someone who supposedly has a high football IQ. Not to mention his panics displayed showed he doesn't have a high football IQ. Someone with a high football IQ would know where the ball will likely go pre-snap and adjust the reads accordingly. Many times he panicked and forced the ball to Travis Hunter who bailed him out. It's one of the things that really helped elevate Hunter over Jeanty for the heisman. I think he's just an athletic freak like his dad, and his athleticism against inferior defenses and talent made him look much better than he actually is. Big fish, small pond kind of thing. The kicker is that even against that inferior talent he struggled against BYU and Nebraska and lost those games. Mostly because both of those teams really focused on Hunter and made Sanders pay when he would force the ball in a panic.

This guy has red flags everywhere. His dad has ballooned him big time.

 

[WilliamBrees]

So..... is this a bad QB class or not?

Yes.

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

Upon reading the title, McCord immediately came to mind. I'm not in favor of giving up all of the draft capital for Ward, whom I like. But a middling round pick for McCord wouldn't break my heart. And I haven't given up on Rattler on Haener.

 

[solarbear88]

Yes.

Seems like a fairly normal class. A half dozen guys with second or third round grades. Two with 1st. What makes it kind of weak is just the calibre of the Two. Both strike me as having a similar 1st round grades as Justin Fields. Ward a bit higher than Fields and Sanders a bit lower.

 

[Hedon James]

I like McCord a lot more than the scout sites apparently. I could see him drafted as high as the 2nd round. I think he is the best pure passer of this class.
I have not been impressed with Ewers. When watching Texas games he missed several easy throws. I personally couldn't make those throws but should have been fairly easy for him that is.

That's a name that keeps popping up, and when CKM was first hired I started seeing draftniks refer to Syracuse QB McCord as the "perfect fit" for CKMs system. But I don't understand WHY someone says that? CKM has coached Dak in Dallas, Herbert in SD, and Hurts in Philly. That's 3 VERY different style QBs in 3 different offensive schemes, and NONE were picked under CKMs watch. I don't think anyone KNOWS what CKM WANTS in a QB, if he's picking from "scratch."

I'm just posting on the tail of your post because it seems like you've done a lot of watching of these QBs and seem to know a lot about them. Certainly more than I do. All I know about McCord is that he transferred from OSU to Syracuse; is projected to be drafted around the 3rd round; and he's "perfect" for CKM. And only 1 of those things is a FACT, the others are hearsay.

But I'm interested in YOUR opinion(s). What do you see that you like? Obviously you like him as the "best pure passer" of this class. In what ways? Completion percentage? Accuracy? Reading defenses and anticipating open receivers? Big arm for deep balls and fade routes? How are his "wheels"? Does he run? Or is he at least "escapable" and can extend plays with his legs? Or is he pure pocket passer? What are his height/weight measurables? Is he "prototype" in stature, or another "smurf" QB?

My mind is open, and ready to be educated. Sell me on why McCord should be wearing B&G in 2025. And thanks in advance for whatever you share!

 

[3ParStillDriver]

That's a name that keeps popping up, and when CKM was first hired I started seeing draftniks refer to Syracuse QB McCord as the "perfect fit" for CKMs system. But I don't understand WHY someone says that? CKM has coached Dak in Dallas, Herbert in SD, and Hurts in Philly. That's 3 VERY different style QBs in 3 different offensive schemes, and NONE were picked under CKMs watch. I don't think anyone KNOWS what CKM WANTS in a QB, if he's picking from "scratch."

I'm just posting on the tail of your post because it seems like you've done a lot of watching of these QBs and seem to know a lot about them. Certainly more than I do. All I know about McCord is that he transferred from OSU to Syracuse; is projected to be drafted around the 3rd round; and he's "perfect" for CKM. And only 1 of those things is a FACT, the others are hearsay.

But I'm interested in YOUR opinion(s). What do you see that you like? Obviously you like him as the "best pure passer" of this class. In what ways? Completion percentage? Accuracy? Reading defenses and anticipating open receivers? Big arm for deep balls and fade routes? How are his "wheels"? Does he run? Or is he at least "escapable" and can extend plays with his legs? Or is he pure pocket passer? What are his height/weight measurables? Is he "prototype" in stature, or another "smurf" QB?

My mind is open, and ready to be educated. Sell me on why McCord should be wearing B&G in 2025. And thanks in advance for whatever you share!

Moore never has gotten to pick his "ideal style" of QB. He's always worked with what the HC or GM wanted. Dak was Jerry's making. Herbert was Staley's. Hurts was Sirianni's QB. Moore just made all 3 work. That's a great thing and shows how Moore is capable of tailoring a game plan and scheme to his QB's style. But as to what style he prefer's? Who knows. I tend to think he likes Herbert/Dak's style a bit more then Hurts. But that's just speculation.

He may even really like Carr's style. The cool thing is, we don't know. We can speculate but that's all anyone is doing right now, even the media. But we should find out in the next month to two years.

But McCord is much more of a pocket passing QB. Intelligent, instinctive, quick release, good arm strength and accuracy. McCord is a lot like Herbert but has some of his own growing pains to go through, one of them being learning to not stare down receivers and look off safeties (which is by far his biggest flaw currently that I spotted).

 

[Hedon James]

Seems like the Saints are doing a LOT of homework on QBs for this draft, widely considered to be "weak" or "average" at best. We KNOW they've interviewed Ward, Sanders, and Ewers (possibly others). We KNOW they sent a large contingent (including CKM) to Ward's pro day in Miami. We KNOW they're hosting Ewers for dinner. Read an article yesterday about Jaxson Dart and a coach at Ole Miss (can't remember the name....wasn't the HC) who commented something to the effect that "Saints have done a LOT of homework on Dart". Saints are notoriously tight-lipped, so this is only the tip of the iceberg I believe.

I understand due diligence and trying to be prepared for all options presented, but I'm not enamored with any of these QBs. Especially Ward or Sanders, for varying reasons. Ward will cost too much to move up; and I don't think Sanders will stay in NO beyond his rookie contract. And Dart and Ewers both are less "complete" than Ward and Sanders, IMO. I'm hoping NO QBs at #9! After that, I suppose the right QB with the right pick is fair game. If CKM likes a QB, who am I to disagree? If CKM thinks he can fix flaws, tweak mechanics, and teach their brain how to process available info, give the HC and de facto OC what he wants! His tenure is riding on it!

OR....is due diligence the cover story, and our QB interest is fake? Most can agree, DC4 days are numbered. Not the problem, but not the solution; and too expensive to NOT be a solution. That leaves Rattler and Haener. Or does it? All this interest in 2025 draft QBs isn't inspiring confidence that CKM sees something worthy to work with. Or maybe this is the new strategy....draft a mid-round or late-round QB every year, and develop them as best as they can be, making the Saints a QB factory like the Packers and Patriots were in the 2000s and 2010s?

One thing is for certain. We've got a new player at the poker table, with no history, trends, tips or tells...at least none that can be discerned. It's going to be interesting to get a read on HIS preferences. Can't wait....tired of speculating!