Titanic submersible es morte (5 Viewers)

[Sailorsaint]

I have found the glee around these deaths odd, but I honestly think it has to do with how much they spent to do something stupid. People mourn rich people dying all the time, but in this case, it's spending 250k a head to go in a sardine can. I see similar joking about people who aren't rich but die doing odd things. There's a whole tik tok trend from that song “Dumb Ways to Die” and none of those people are rich.

I still think it's odd to make fun of people dying, but I get the "boy that was dumb so I don't have sympathy" impulse.

I don't know about others, but I don't find any "glee" in this. I do feel it's very karmic though.

 

[Nisey55]

This really should be the end of the thread.

Yes

 

[EGLSShin]

I don't have an issue with the jokes because the CEO is an idiot that got 4 others killed because of cutting corners and being arrogant about how safe this craft really was. Customers backed out because they felt the work was shoddy and he scoffed at safety. Least they didn't suffer in the cold dark and if they had to die, it was quick and painless.

 

[DavidM]

This guy does a great job of expressing what people like Matt Walsh are ignoring.

 

[bclemms]

I’m sure it covers negligence, most do and I’m sure this one did - they had total contractual leverage so you release everything.

I think what you’re referring to is gross negligence (and intentional or unlawful acts). But ordinary negligence can be so easy to find, releases wouldn’t be very effective if they didn’t release negligence. I have written many of them, I always release negligence and everything else you think you can get released.

I'm certainly not arguing with you so thank you for the clarity. I was curious on my side. Makes sense how lack of competition can force the hand of a contract.

 

[SystemShock]

I think it’s a natural product of dramatic concentration of wealth. Is any of it actually moral?

The 10 richest people in the world own more than the bottom 3.5 billion people. That’s almost half of the world population. I think some cynicism is forgivable. Yes those billionaires died but somewhere between 10k and 15k people starved today. And yesterday.

I’m not saying any of it is right or wrong, but it does indeed seem to be a symptom of something larger that is very real.

I am not trying to counter or argue with the points you made, this is just a perspective based on what you posted. I'm probably going to add stuff that has nothing to do with what you posted. So you are warned

I understand why some people would feel it is immoral that your yacht as its own companion yacht while 10K-15K people die of hunger every day. However, I don't think the people who are dying of starvation can distinguish between Bill Gates and middle-class U.S. To them, everyone not starving to death must look rich.

Longish story, but bear with me: While in Winston-Salem, I lived in Buena Vista; for those who don't know W-S, Buena Vista is a well-to-do neighborhood: lawyers, doctors, and the occasional butt-crevasse computer engineer Mexican live there. As I am sure it happens in well-to-do neighborhoods across the country, during bulk trash pickup, people swarm the area picking up the stuff that is being thrown away. This one particular year, it rained heavily the 2 days before the pickup, so the scavenging was particularly heavy the Sunday before the scheduled pickup. I was walking stuff to the curb, and by the time I did the next trip, most of the stuff I put out the previous trip was gone. At one point, I put an old flat screen TV out. On the next trip, I see a woman and a man taking apart the TV, tossing the pieces they didn't want around my yard . I told them they were welcome to take anything the wanted, but to please take the whole thing, and not take things apart and toss them about my yard. The woman turns to me and says angrily "you rich people don't have a clue; you never will", while still loading stuff on their late model Ram 1500. So I told them to get off my property and if they picked one more thing, I was calling the police.

Also, interesting that some of the people making fun of the situation are feeling sorry about the 19 year old.

 

[jboss]

I am not trying to counter or argue with the points you made, this is just a perspective based on what you posted. I'm probably going to add stuff that has nothing to do with what you posted. So you are warned

I understand why some people would feel it is immoral that your yacht as its own companion yacht while 10K-15K people die of hunger every day. However, I don't think the people who are dying of starvation can distinguish between Bill Gates and middle-class U.S. To them, everyone not starving to death must look rich.

Longish story, but bear with me: While in Winston-Salem, I lived in Buena Vista; for those who don't know W-S, Buena Vista is a well-to-do neighborhood: lawyers, doctors, and the occasional butt-crevasse computer engineer Mexican live there. As I am sure it happens in well-to-do neighborhoods across the country, during bulk trash pickup, people swarm the area picking up the stuff that is being thrown away. This one particular year, it rained heavily the 2 days before the pickup, so the scavenging was particularly heavy the Sunday before the scheduled pickup. I was walking stuff to the curb, and by the time I did the next trip, most of the stuff I put out the previous trip were gone. At one point, I put an old flat screen TV out. On the next trip, I see a woman and a man taking apart the TV, tossing the pieces they didn't want around my yard . I told them they were welcome to take anything the wanted, but to please take the whole thing, and not take things apart and toss them about my yard. The woman turns to me and says angrily "you rich people don't have a clue; you never will", while still loading stuff on their late model Ram 1500. So I told them to get off my property and if they picked one more thing, I was calling the police.

Also, interesting that some of the people making fun of the situation are feeling sorry about the 19 year old.

Buena Vista in Winston-Salem, you say? Hmm. Hmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......

Nevermind nothing to see here. Absolutely no introspection needed.

EDIT: for those that don't know, look up Buena Vista in Winston-Salem. It might put some more perspective on some assertions of how we plebian knaves have been behaving in this thread. Shame on us.

 

[superchuck500]

My problem really is it's just a horrible way to think and says a lot about someone's character when they're openly willing to celebrate someone's death because they're wealthy. How would it be viewed if I was said I was glad those 10-15k people starved based on the argument they were poor drains on society that had nothing to offer? I don't think that way but to me that's the exact same thing as celebrating someone's death because they were rich. I'm guessing pretty much all of them didn't know any of these people personally so they knew nothing about them other than they had money. I've personally known 2 people that I would consider probably close to the same tax bracket as these people and both were nice family men that were friendly.

That’s fair - but I don’t think it’s about being friendly. There are 770 billionaires in the US, out of 330 million people. I believe you that you’ve personally known two people close to that range of wealth but it’s highly unlikely. I think it’s also true that I think it’s pretty rare for the accumulation of that kind of wealth without there being some along the way who were manipulated or cheated or defeated in some way - the idea of a completely innocent and altruistic billionaire is likely a myth.

At the same time, it’s still wrong to actually cheer someone’s death or feel like they deserved it. That is 100 percent agreed.

I’m just saying that the sentiment isn’t difficult to understand that some may find it absurd that these people would spend who knows what to make their way to St. John, Newfoundland (probably on a private jet) to pay $250K a head to board a vessel to travel 3,500 miles and then descend to 12k feet, a full 10K below the operational depth of any modern naval vessel, on an experimental craft to personally view the 110 year old wreckage of a ship where 1,500 people lost their lives.

There’s an element of absurdity here that I think allows people to look past the human tragedy of it and be cynical. Not all the different from when the rich guy travels to Africa to hunt a lion and becomes the lion’s prey.

 

[superchuck500]

I am not trying to counter or argue with the points you made, this is just a perspective based on what you posted. I'm probably going to add stuff that has nothing to do with what you posted. So you are warned

I understand why some people would feel it is immoral that your yacht as its own companion yacht while 10K-15K people die of hunger every day. However, I don't think the people who are dying of starvation can distinguish between Bill Gates and middle-class U.S. To them, everyone not starving to death must look rich.

Longish story, but bear with me: While in Winston-Salem, I lived in Buena Vista; for those who don't know W-S, Buena Vista is a well-to-do neighborhood: lawyers, doctors, and the occasional butt-crevasse computer engineer Mexican live there. As I am sure it happens in well-to-do neighborhoods across the country, during bulk trash pickup, people swarm the area picking up the stuff that is being thrown away. This one particular year, it rained heavily the 2 days before the pickup, so the scavenging was particularly heavy the Sunday before the scheduled pickup. I was walking stuff to the curb, and by the time I did the next trip, most of the stuff I put out the previous trip were gone. At one point, I put an old flat screen TV out. On the next trip, I see a woman and a man taking apart the TV, tossing the pieces they didn't want around my yard . I told them they were welcome to take anything the wanted, but to please take the whole thing, and not take things apart and toss them about my yard. The woman turns to me and says angrily "you rich people don't have a clue; you never will", while still loading stuff on their late model Ram 1500. So I told them to get off my property and if they picked one more thing, I was calling the police.

Also, interesting that some of the people making fun of the situation are feeling sorry about the 19 year old.

I think the 19 year old is particularly sympathetic because, unlike the others, he likely had little to do with his actually being there.

 

[jboss]

That’s fair - but I don’t think it’s about being friendly. There are 770 billionaires in the US, out of 330 million people. I believe you that you’ve personally known two people close to that range of wealth but it’s highly unlikely. I think it’s also true that I think it’s pretty rare for the accumulation of that kind of wealth without there being some along the way who were manipulated or cheated or defeated in some way - the idea of a completely innocent and altruistic billionaire is likely a myth.

At the same time, it’s still wrong to actually cheer someone’s death or feel like they deserved it. That is 100 percent agreed.

I’m just saying that the sentiment isn’t difficult to understand that some may find it absurd that these people would spend who knows what to make their way to St. John, Newfoundland (probably on a private jet) to pay $250K a head to board a vessel to travel 3,500 miles and then descend to 12k feet, a full 10K below the operational depth of any modern naval vessel, on an experimental craft to personally view the 110 year old wreckage of a ship where 1,500 people lost their lives.

There’s an element of absurdity here that I think allows people to look past the human tragedy of it and be cynical. Not all the different from when the rich guy travels to Africa to hunt a lion and becomes the lion’s prey.

I agree with a lot of this sentiment. And I will also restate that I take no joy in these people dying in this incident. But I will say, to your last point, when a rich guy travels to a far away land to hunt protected or vulnerable species and get got by that very same species, that's poetic justice to me. Chef's kiss. Get rekt, sheethead.

 

[0rion]

That’s fair - but I don’t think it’s about being friendly. There are 770 billionaires in the US, out of 330 million people. I believe you that you’ve personally known two people close to that range of wealth but it’s highly unlikely. I think it’s also true that I think it’s pretty rare for the accumulation of that kind of wealth without there being some along the way who were manipulated or cheated or defeated in some way - the idea of a completely innocent and altruistic billionaire is likely a myth.

At the same time, it’s still wrong to actually cheer someone’s death or feel like they deserved it. That is 100 percent agreed.

I’m just saying that the sentiment isn’t difficult to understand that some may find it absurd that these people would spend who knows what to make their way to St. John, Newfoundland (probably on a private jet) to pay $250K a head to board a vessel to travel 3,500 miles and then descend to 12k feet, a full 10K below the operational depth of any modern naval vessel, on an experimental craft to personally view the 110 year old wreckage of a ship where 1,500 people lost their lives.

There’s an element of absurdity here that I think allows people to look past the human tragedy of it and be cynical. Not all the different from when the rich guy travels to Africa to hunt a lion and becomes the lion’s prey.

In fairness probably neither is billionaire status but millions kinda deal. Way more money than I'd see in a couple lifetimes. Both are richer than I can really comprehend but you'd never know it in casual conversation.

 

[superchuck500]

I agree with a lot of this sentiment. And I will also restate that I take no joy in these people dying in this incident. But I will say, to your last point, when a rich guy travels to a far away land to hunt protected or vulnerable species and get got by that very same species, that's poetic justice to me. Chef's kiss. Get rekt, sheethead.

I agree it’s not totally analogous to the lion hunt but it’s certainly a very brave challenge to the forces of nature that operate at 12k feet below the surface.

 

[0rion]

I can see comedy in pretty much anything but I also know comedy is all about timing. Wrong time for the jokes and even the jokes aren't as bad as the sheer joy people found in this....it's pretty demented really.

 

[jboss]

I agree it’s not totally analogous to the lion hunt but it’s certainly a very brave challenge to the forces of nature that operate at 12k feet below the surface.

That's why deep ocean exploration should be left to James Cameron. See? I kinda like some rich people

 

[jboss]

I can see comedy in pretty much anything but I also know comedy is all about timing. Wrong time for the jokes and even the jokes aren't as bad as the sheer joy people found in this....it's pretty demented really.

Dude it's really not that serious. No one, on here at least, is bathing in the blood of these victims. I don't know why the sense of "sheer joy" being taken in this is still pervading. That's mostly just twitter bullshirt