Triplett says Saints Interest in Chris "Beanie" Wells is "Bona Fide" (3 Viewers)

[GoldRush26]

thats the best you got? can you invent some more of paytons logic for us?

im looking at bush's stats, and he avg over 3.6 ypc in only 1 game out of the first 6 and had double digit carries in every game.

give it up!

When PT and Reggie Bush become the same person, maybe I'll have a better answer for you. But PT, as it stands right now, is not Reggie Bush. Reggie has shown to be able to effectively help this team in multiple facets of the game. PT isn't as versatile. So as far as PIERRE THOMAS goes, he needs to be productive early in order to get more carries. This isn't about Reggie. Different rules for different players, sorry.

 

[GoldRush26]

Everyone can debate back and forth till we each are blue in the face. If the Saints feel that Wells is the guy they need and he is there, they will take him. If they do not feel that he is the guy they need, they will not take him. Simple is that. Of course, you can question their decision one way or the other depending on if you are on the draft Wells bandwagon or pass on Wells bandwagon. Nevertheless, our debates won't change who they choose to select. It won't matter what Pierre did or is capable of doing if they feel differently about what his ultimate role should be and take Wells. It won't matter if Wells can become an elite back in the league if they feel that Pierre and Reggie are capable of getting the job done and choose to solely focus on defense in the first round. The Saints have a plan and they will execute that plan as they see fit. And then we each will be left with a choice to grumble but continue to support the team or grumble and move on.

It is that simple. I agree with all of this. In any event, Payton must not be completely satisfied with the ground game if he is entertaining the idea of picking Wells.

 

[diat150]

When PT and Reggie Bush become the same person, maybe I'll have a better answer for you. But PT, as it stands right now, is not Reggie Bush. Reggie has shown to be able to effectively help this team in multiple facets of the game. PT isn't as versatile. So as far as PIERRE THOMAS goes, he needs to be productive early in order to get more carries. This isn't about Reggie.

is that payton logic or gold rush logic? I just checked and PT avg more per carry, more per reception, and when you look at tds per touch rushing, pt has 18.1 tds per rush compared to bush's 34.8. receiving Pt has a td every 12 receptions compared to 26.6 for bush. so I am not sure where you get this PT isnt as versatile noise and doesnt help the team as much.

 

[Ryan]

The only thing PT has ever done is perform against the worst, college defenses if you want to call it that.

Wells will be a star in this league, he has the speed and the power.

The issue i have with this is that thomas has performed very well against NFL defenses. Wells has performed very well vs crappy big 10 college defenses. i'm not saying wells isn't a good back, but he's nowhere near a lock to be better than thomas. the best argument for wells right now is that both bush and thomas have gotten injured in each of the last 2 seasons. it's good to have depth at the position, but he would have to share carries with two other backs who are very talented. i'd rather one of the linebackers or DEs. one of either jenkins, brown, maybin, matthews, or cushing will be there.

 

[REALCHRISM]

I have no idea why SP hasn't figured that out! Don't ask me why SP threw the ball 47 times versus only 17 runs in a monsoon in Tampa Bay, to hand the Bucs their last win of the year in Week 13. That's another discussion, but when people called for SP's head after that loss, and he finally committed and made PT a part of the gameplan the next week against an Atl playoff team, he went 16 for 102, 2 scores, and not to mention a huge kickoff return to set up the win.

The numbers don't lie. 4.8ypc is manly. SP admitted last year he was slow in giving PT his share, and when he did he produced. Like I said, I learned months ago there's nothing I or PT can do to change some of your minds, and its amazing some of you can't see this guy for the runner he is, but to use another 1st round pick, (after we've used - some may argue wasted - our 2nd on one) on another offensive player is a joke.

Right, Pierre did do well. And then he started carrying the ball more and, once again, got hurt. This is the third time he has gotten hurt after seeing an increase in carries. It happened as a rookie against Carolina and he missed the next week. He then bruised ribs against Chicago. And then last season, he missed the final game. It is not that Pierre isn't a capable runner. But he has yet to prove that he can shoulder the load. Thus, we have this need at the RB position.

 

[fr3sh]

It has been stated many times that the NFL is now a two-back league. If Beanie can keep Reggie and Pierre healthy for the entire year, I will support the drafting of him. Pierre is good on kick returns, Reggie is great on punt returns. Drafting Beanie allows both of them to see the field more in regards to kicks/punts.

Whatever Sean Payton believes will make the team better, I will be happy.

 

[xardoz]

I would say help the pass rush or DB's with the first pick (&/or trade for more picks) and get your thumper in the 4th round.

Yes we need someone to take additional carries, but at RB you can get more return late than you can with DB's.

 

[GoldRush26]

is that payton logic or gold rush logic? I just checked and PT avg more per carry, more per reception, and when you look at tds per touch rushing, pt has 18.1 tds per rush compared to bush's 34.8. receiving Pt has a td every 12 receptions compared to 26.6 for bush. so I am not sure where you get this PT isnt as versatile noise and doesnt help the team as much.

Like always, making this a Reggie vs. PT thing when no one was talking about Reggie. Reggie will continue to get his carries regardless of how well he is doing because it helps to facilitate what he does best, which is catch and run. Of course PT's average per reception will be more than Reggie because he catches a lot less and is less involved in the pass game. Same reason why Lance Moore's average per catch is less than Henderson's.

In any event, we were talking about how PT is really not as effective as a lot of PT fanatics want to think he is, and his stats against the best defenses reflects that.

 

[waazup]

I think most of us are growing on either drafting (if we stay at #14):

Malcolm Jenkins

or

Beanie Wells

 

[ILLINI Saint]

Ill be happy with who ever they pick but I'm leaning towards Beanie.

 

[BleedBlackNGold]

People argue about PTs injuries yet they want to draft Wells..... funny stuff. PT is very capable. We all know how much Payton loves to pass. Why is it so hard to realize you aren't always going to be able to rush for well over 100 yards and pass for 350 in a game. One or the other is going to suffer.

 

[AkA Zane]

I can see where this is going, same old saints organization.I will be very disappointed if we dont draft defense in the first round.Has this team learnt nothing from its history? I like Benie Wells but its not what is going to get us into the playoffs.People think because we signed some free agents that we are set.This is the NFL and we will have injuries in the secondary, and then we are screwed once again to witness the dissection of our defense every game.

 

[JackDiesel]

Found this scouting report on Wells from http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=534150. I bolded all the key points.

Wells is the most intriguing of the top four prospects. He weighed 235 pounds at the NFL Scouting Combine but does look like a big back on film. He runs like a smaller, quicker man with lateral agility and explosiveness, short-area burst and acceleration, all necessary attributes to thrive on Sundays.
Those clearly are positives as he transitions to the NFL, yet there is a negative hiding in plain sight. A 235-pound back must be physical. Wells does not run to his weight. His style is that of a 205-pound back.
He is not strong and powerful, and even more troublesome as I watched game after game on film, is a strong impression that he does not run hard all the time. That's an issue of mental toughness, and that cannot be taught. That should be a significant red flag for any GM believing Wells can be the focus of his team's offense.

 

[brees#9]

mike bell and beanie wells seem like the same kind of players

 

[REALCHRISM]

Found this scouting report on Wells from http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=534150. I bolded all the key points.

In other words, you found one of the few scouting reports that agrees with your assessment or justifies your belief that defense should be the only way we go in this draft.