Triplett says Saints Interest in Chris "Beanie" Wells is "Bona Fide" (1 Viewer)

[saintmike23]

PT is strongly overrated on this site. Do not get me wrong, he is a good young back, but he isn't a feature back. The only thing PT has ever done is perform against the worst, college defenses if you want to call it that.

Wells is a stud. He's 6'1, 240 and ran a 4.3 in the forty. I don't put much stock into the 40, but a 4.3 for someone his size is a miracle. Wells will be a star in this league, he has the speed and the power.

To be honest, I look at him as a better Deuce. Again, Wells will be a star. I'll say it, he will be AD good.

Lastly, your two needs. OLB, and FS. If Jenkins is on the board, you take him. No doubt about it. But who do you take at OLB? Matthews or Cushing? I don't think. What about safety? William Moore is a possibility. He should be a top 15 pick, if it wasn't for injuries his senior season.

If the top guys are gone, Curry, Brown, Orakpo, Jenkins, and others, and you can't find a GREAT trade back option, you take Wells.

I've said it before, and I will say it again. Payton likes to counter his pass game with a big power back. Wells fits that.

He did not run a 4.3 40. It says he ran between a 4.34 and a 4.46 at his pro day on a fast track. 4.34 is just as fast as Reggie Bush. You're going to tell me he's faster than Bush? Also, he didn't run the 3-cone drill or the 20 yard shuttle. Those numbers are pretty important and that may be his weakness actually. If he can't make the cuts he's pretty much in the same class as PT. He looks like he has to throttle down to make a change of direction and he's not very explosive when shifting in and out of the cuts. Wells' runs don't compare to Peterson's in college. He's not a top 15 pick.

 

[mister pc]

Against the 30th, 26th, 25th, and 5th running defenses in the NFL, yardage wise. And the 30th, 26th, 28th, and 3rd running defenses in the NFL, YPC wise. And please do not act like PT had a good game against Chicago, he was horrible.

I'm not a PT naysayer, I like PT and think he is a good RB. He would excel if he was used like Bradshaw or Ward were last season with NY. But to think he can be the feature back of this team is dreamful, we have seen what happens when Payton uses him that way. He becomes injured. The only time Payton has ever made a commitment with PT is against sorry run defenses.

Like I said, I'm not a PT naysayer, I like him. But, I am not sold on him. He has done NOTHING against good NFL defenses. And IMHO, there is a reason for that. There is a reason he gets carries against the bad defenses, and not the good ones. There is a reason Payton voiced his displeasure with PT's performance early in the season and reduced his carries.

1) obviously PT would not be used as "feature back" for the Saints as long as Reggie is on the team. they will split carries

2) How many games has PT missed in his NFL career due to injury?



Actually you are a PT naysayer, because you arent showing him the respect that he has earned. Just like people hating on him for the Denver game. Sure it wasnt his best performance, but he only had 6 carries that game. And two of them went for touchdowns. And lets not forget how he dropped 100+ yards rushing in a huge divisional win over Atlanta when we were still in the playoff chase.

 

[GoldRush26]

What has PT done when he gets 15+ carries in a game, and he becomes the "feature" back? Go back and look.

http://www.nfl.com/players/pierrethomas/gamelogs?id=THO085535

It's really pointless for me to argue against the PT naysayers, you've already made up your mind and he can do nothing more to sell you. I don't doubt Wells can be a solid NFL running back, but when SP has made a commitment to run the ball with PT, we have all we need at that position, and the 14th pick can be better addressed.

You mean all we have to do is give PT 15+ carries and he lights it up??? Man why hasn't anyone else figured that out???

That's faulty logic. PT gets the carries when he's proving that he can run against the D. The carries don't come before the production. If PT isn't running the ball well enough early on, he doesn't get the carries. I imagine SP wants a back that is more consistent early on, every game, not just against weak defenses.

 

[JackDiesel]

Unfortunately those two games pretty much defined our season. It sucks that he couldn't deliver when it counted but that's what it boils down to. Racking up yards against Oakland and Detroit doesn't mean a whole lot.

It sucks how our defense couldn't hold either team under 26 points.

We have only won 3 of 21 games in the past 3 seasons where our defense has given up 26 plus points.

 

[mister pc]

I imagine SP wants a back that is more consistent early on, every game, not just against weak defenses.

so PT cant play against good run defense? I would like to know which game you are using to prove this point. Show me one example of PT getting shut down by a good run defense.

 

[diat150]

You mean all we have to do is give PT 15+ carries and he lights it up??? Man why hasn't anyone else figured that out???

That's faulty logic. PT gets the carries when he's proving that he can run against the D. The carries don't come before the production. If PT isn't running the ball well enough early on, he doesn't get the carries. I imagine SP wants a back that is more consistent early on, every game, not just against weak defenses.

if that were the logic that payton uses it seems like bush would never rush the ball....

 

[GoldRush26]

It sucks how our defense couldn't hold either team under 26 points.

We have only won 3 of 21 games in the past 3 seasons where our defense has given up 26 plus points.

Yeah that does suck. It doesn't change the fact that he had bad performances in those games.

so PT cant play against good run defense? I would like to know which game you are using to prove this point. Show me one example of PT getting shut down by a good run defense.

Washington comes to mind.

 

[GoldRush26]

if that were the logic that payton uses it seems like bush would never rush the ball....

Uh ok.

 

[BlackReign]

after watching the "saints on the clock" on ESPN i am 100% all in for Beanie Wells....before watching that segment I felt like I would find a new team to route for if the saints drafted anyone on the offensive side of the ball, but i have come around and cant wait for Beanie to be in black and gold!

 

[mister pc]

Washington comes to mind.

that was definitely his worst game of the season. But he only had 6 carries, not much of a sample size. You cant establish much of a run like that. Take the Bears game for example. PT did not have an easy time during that game either. But Payton stuck with the run and gave Thomas 20+ carries. Eventually it paid off with PT breaking a 40 yard touchdown run. he finished that game with 4.0 ypc average, and 146 total yards from scrimmage (reception and rushing). So i think we should stop pretending like PT only shows up to play against easy defenses. The Bears are one of the best run defenses in the NFL, but he worked hard and had a positive effect for his team.

 

[diat150]

Uh ok.

thats the best you got? can you invent some more of paytons logic for us?

im looking at bush's stats, and he avg over 3.6 ypc in only 1 game out of the first 6 and had double digit carries in every game.

give it up!

That's faulty logic. PT gets the carries when he's proving that he can run against the D. The carries don't come before the production. If PT isn't running the ball well enough early on, he doesn't get the carries. I imagine SP wants a back that is more consistent early on, every game, not just against weak defenses.

 

[REALCHRISM]

Everyone can debate back and forth till we each are blue in the face. If the Saints feel that Wells is the guy they need and he is there, they will take him. If they do not feel that he is the guy they need, they will not take him. Simple is that. Of course, you can question their decision one way or the other depending on if you are on the draft Wells bandwagon or pass on Wells bandwagon. Nevertheless, our debates won't change who they choose to select. It won't matter what Pierre did or is capable of doing if they feel differently about what his ultimate role should be and take Wells. It won't matter if Wells can become an elite back in the league if they feel that Pierre and Reggie are capable of getting the job done and choose to solely focus on defense in the first round. The Saints have a plan and they will execute that plan as they see fit. And then we each will be left with a choice to grumble but continue to support the team or grumble and move on.

 

[saints2k8]

I'll be happy with Bush, Thomas, and Jenkins..or Bush, Thomas, and Wells. Either way we have a good chance of getting back to the NFC Championship game.

 

[rlmarine]

You mean all we have to do is give PT 15+ carries and he lights it up??? Man why hasn't anyone else figured that out???

That's faulty logic. PT gets the carries when he's proving that he can run against the D. The carries don't come before the production. If PT isn't running the ball well enough early on, he doesn't get the carries. I imagine SP wants a back that is more consistent early on, every game, not just against weak defenses.

I have no idea why SP hasn't figured that out! Don't ask me why SP threw the ball 47 times versus only 17 runs in a monsoon in Tampa Bay, to hand the Bucs their last win of the year in Week 13. That's another discussion, but when people called for SP's head after that loss, and he finally committed and made PT a part of the gameplan the next week against an Atl playoff team, he went 16 for 102, 2 scores, and not to mention a huge kickoff return to set up the win.

The numbers don't lie. 4.8ypc is manly. SP admitted last year he was slow in giving PT his share, and when he did he produced. Like I said, I learned months ago there's nothing I or PT can do to change some of your minds, and its amazing some of you can't see this guy for the runner he is, but to use another 1st round pick, (after we've used - some may argue wasted - our 2nd on one) on another offensive player is a joke.

 

[saints2k8]

Some aren't happy with RB

Some aren't happy with PT

Some aren't happy with BOTH

It is not going to end! lol