N/S Tyreek Hill arrested for traffic violation by stadium in Miami on gameday (Hill played) [Reckless driving & seatbelt charges dismissed] (1 Viewer)

[DJ1BigTymer]

Here's video of Hill's wreckless vehicle operation:

He was speeding, but...

Prove it!

 

[Bishop]

So I am a white guy and I don't know what it's like to be black and pulled over. But I promise if a cop says get out of the car.. I get out of the car..... Why is that so hard?????????????

Same reason why untold legions of white folks have resisted in the same manner when feeling their rights have been violated. Hill probably became indignant due to the cops sudden attempt to snatched him up despite his window already being cracked.

 

[NeverGiveUP2]

Same reason why untold legions of white folks have resisted in the same manner when feeling their rights have been violated. Hill probably became indignant due to the cops sudden attempt to snatched him up despite his window already being cracked.

Don't knock on my window... Then roll it up

Then crack the window and not respond to get out of the car

Simply say yes sir.. Get out and say I am Tyreek Hill and I am sorry for speeding but I play for the Dolphins and I'm late.... So please go ahead and give me my ticket and I'll be more careful

Why create a conflict?

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

So I am a white guy and I don't know what it's like to be black and pulled over. But I promise if a cop says get out of the car.. I get out of the car..... Why is that so hard?????????????

Bc you and I can expect a quid pro quo - do this thing and everything will go smoothly
I hope you understand that a black man has a reasonable suspicion that even when they ‘comply’ the situation might not deescalate
Sometimes quite the opposite

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Don't knock on my window... Then roll it up

Then crack the window and not respond to get out of the car

Simply say yes sir.. Get out and say I am Tyreek Hill and I am sorry for speeding but I play for the Dolphins and I'm late.... So please go ahead and give me my ticket and I'll be more careful

Why create a conflict?

The cop had everything he needed to do his job and he was walking away to do that when the window went back up. The correct thing for the LEO to do there was to continue with the reason for the stop, had he done just that, all would have been good. It's not the citizen's job to be the professional, it's the cop's job.

I could make the argument that with the window down, Hill's appearance would have created a larger disturbance with all the rubber-neckers trying to snap a photo of him. The LEO's will make the argument that the tinted windows pose a threat to the officers. I would have to ask in this particular case, is that "threat" a reasonable one though?

All that being said, the cops told everyone why they yanked him from his car and that was because he did not respect their authority. From their point of view, his disrespect of their authority supersedes the infraction that precipitated the stop.

 

[Bishop]

Don't knock on my window... Then roll it up

Then crack the window and not respond to get out of the car

Simply say yes sir.. Get out and say I am Tyreek Hill and I am sorry for speeding but I play for the Dolphins and I'm late.... So please go ahead and give me my ticket and I'll be more careful

Why create a conflict?

You still haven't answered. Why order him out of the car after Hill had already complied by opening the window? He was on the phone explaining the situation to someone when ordered out, and likely seeking guidance.

This cop didnt deserve to be addressed as "sir" at this point. Where was his conflict mitigation training? This type of cop would've only made command after command in an attempt to put Hill in his place. We can see how gleeful the sweaty arse-chaffed cop was while handling a professional athlete on the ground.. Some people out there aren't boot-lickers and have no problem dealing with the consequences of non-compliance when warranted.

Oh, and was this the same cop who waddled over there to cuff Campbell as well?

 

[Saint KayBee]

I could make the argument that with the window down, Hill's appearance would have created a larger disturbance with all the rubber-neckers trying to snap a photo of him. The LEO's will make the argument that the tinted windows pose a threat to the officers. I would have to ask in this particular case, is that "threat" a reasonable one though?

Tyreek Hill has said exactly this, and I believe him. There are no videos of this incident from the public prior to the point where it's clearly him. He was trying to create a level of privacy that'd benefit everybody, but jumpy cops think a guy on his way to play football in front of 65,000 fans is going to violently escalate the situation right then & there.

 

[new city champ]

I actually think it's a valid discussion. About three months ago I (older white guy) got pulled over by a cop in a residential neighborhood. I had no idea why. I rolled down my window as the officer approached. I didn't ask anything. He asks for my license, registration and proof of insurance. I tell him they are in my glove compartment and that I'm going to get them. I don't move too fast. I give him the documents and he goes back to his cruiser. I still don't ask any questions.

After a couple of minutes (he was obviously checking for any outstanding warrants), he comes back, hands me my documents and asks if I know why he pulled me over. I answer truthfully: "I have no idea." He goes into a long explanation about how, while turning off St. Charles Avenue, I pulled out of a long line of traffic at a red light and drove illegally up the right side of the street for almost a block, then stopped at the light and turned right on red. "That's illegal?" I asked. He said it was as it was a parking lane. I didn't think so. I said "Well, it's your call to give me a ticket, but I think if you look there aren't any kind of signs or marks indicating it's a parking lane or a bike lane." I kept my hands on the wheel, the tone light and the window down. To my surprise he said he'd check and walked back up the block to look. He did, came back and said "I'm letting you go with a warning but be more careful next time." I looked later. There were no markings.

So white privilege or was it because I kept it civil and low key? Hard to know, but one reason I long ago adopted this stance when dealing with the police is that I once was leaving a concert with a buddy at Lakefront Arena. A traffic officer waved us out to the right as we exited the lot but my friend wanted to go left. He gave the officer a quick wave saying was going left and turned that way. We made it about 10 feet when two other officers stepped in front of the car with their hands up. They told my buddy he couldn't make that turn even though the street was wide open and it was the way we'd come in. He argued saying there was no reason he couldn't go the way he wanted and in about 5 seconds flat they had him out of the car, cuffed and lying with his face in the street. I got out to see if he was ok and was cuffed in about 5 seconds and sitting on the curb. We stayed that way about 15 minutes while they did whatever then they arrested him for disregarding an officer's command and threatened to charge him with attempted murder (!) for "trying to run them over." He went off to jail and I drove his car back to his house at about 10mph.

The cops way overreacted. They acted like real pricks the whole time and obviously got off on roughing us up some. In short, the Tyreke Hill video really brought that back, except I think we were driving an old jeep not a McLaren. Thank God we weren't (very) high or drunk or who knows what they might have charged us with. This kind of thing wasn't that unusual and over the years a lot of my friends (almost all white boys) got arrested and man-handled by jacked-up cops at one time or another. And my old man told me exactly what many black fathers tell their sons: don't eff-around with the police. Don't argue. Don't move too quick. Follow instructions. It seems though for a lot of black guys that equates to being a punk. You've got show the cops something, stand up to them, don't let them push you around. Man, everyone knows how that's gonna end 9 out of 10. As soon as I heard Hill tell the cop "hey, don't tap on my window!" I knew where it was headed. And honestly, I think it would have ended there for me or anyone else. Doesn't make the cops right. But it does make it predictable and pretty universal.

 

[Saintamaniac]

So white privilege or was it because I kept it civil and low key? Hard to know, but one reason I long ago adopted this stance when dealing with the police is that I once was leaving a concert with a buddy at Lakefront Arena. A traffic officer waved us out to the right as we exited the lot but my friend wanted to go left. He gave the officer a quick wave saying was going left and turned that way. We made it about 10 feet when two other officers stepped in front of the car with their hands up. They told my buddy he couldn't make that turn even though the street was wide open and it was the way we'd come in. He argued saying there was no reason he couldn't go the way he wanted and in about 5 seconds flat they had him out of the car, cuffed and lying with his face in the street. I got out to see if he was ok and was cuffed in about 5 seconds and sitting on the curb. We stayed that way about 15 minutes while they did whatever then they arrested him for disregarding an officer's command and threatened to charge him with attempted murder (!) for "trying to run them over." He went off to jail and I drove his car back to his house at about 10mph.

The cops way overreacted. They acted like real pricks the whole time and obviously got off on roughing us up some. In short, the Tyreke Hill video really brought that back, except I think we were driving an old jeep not a McLaren. Thank God we weren't (very) high or drunk or who knows what they might have charged us with. This kind of thing wasn't that unusual and over the years a lot of my friends (almost all white boys) got arrested and man-handled by jacked-up cops at one time or another. And my old man told me exactly what many black fathers tell their sons: don't eff-around with the police. Don't argue. Don't move too quick. Follow instructions. It seems though for a lot of black guys that equates to being a punk. You've got show the cops something, stand up to them, don't let them push you around. Man, everyone knows how that's gonna end 9 out of 10. As soon as I heard Hill tell the cop "hey, don't tap on my window!" I knew where it was headed. And honestly, I think it would have ended there for me or anyone else. Doesn't make the cops right. But it does make it predictable and pretty universal.

What those cops did was violate your rights and abused their power because your friend dared to "question their authoritah" and as a result, hurt their feelings. Police have been getting away with it since police existed. Only recently since everyone has started recording them have people began to see the extent to which they will lie. It's so ingrained in police culture to lie and abuse your rights that when people push back with video, they feel threatened, threatened because they are slowly realizing all the corruption that they have been getting away with is now being shown to the public.

They are public servants. Whether they like it or not, they do a job and get paid by our tax dollars. There isn't one cop out there that would do that job if they weren't getting paid. Part of their job is to be respectful to the public and not violate their rights. The public, on the other hand, has no requirement to be respectful, although it helps in many situations. If a citizen decides to exercise their rights guaranteed by the constitution and be disrespectful, cops have a duty to do their damn job and most of them fail miserably at it. Record the cops at every chance you have and sue when your rights are violated. Until these local governments realize that their police departments are resulting in millions of lost tax dollars, police will continue to do exactly what we saw in that video.

 

[Big_L]

I actually think it's a valid discussion. About three months ago I (older white guy) got pulled over by a cop in a residential neighborhood. I had no idea why. I rolled down my window as the officer approached. I didn't ask anything. He asks for my license, registration and proof of insurance. I tell him they are in my glove compartment and that I'm going to get them. I don't move too fast. I give him the documents and he goes back to his cruiser. I still don't ask any questions.

After a couple of minutes (he was obviously checking for any outstanding warrants), he comes back, hands me my documents and asks if I know why he pulled me over. I answer truthfully: "I have no idea." He goes into a long explanation about how, while turning off St. Charles Avenue, I pulled out of a long line of traffic at a red light and drove illegally up the right side of the street for almost a block, then stopped at the light and turned right on red. "That's illegal?" I asked. He said it was as it was a parking lane. I didn't think so. I said "Well, it's your call to give me a ticket, but I think if you look there aren't any kind of signs or marks indicating it's a parking lane or a bike lane." I kept my hands on the wheel, the tone light and the window down. To my surprise he said he'd check and walked back up the block to look. He did, came back and said "I'm letting you go with a warning but be more careful next time." I looked later. There were no markings.

So white privilege or was it because I kept it civil and low key? Hard to know, but one reason I long ago adopted this stance when dealing with the police is that I once was leaving a concert with a buddy at Lakefront Arena. A traffic officer waved us out to the right as we exited the lot but my friend wanted to go left. He gave the officer a quick wave saying was going left and turned that way. We made it about 10 feet when two other officers stepped in front of the car with their hands up. They told my buddy he couldn't make that turn even though the street was wide open and it was the way we'd come in. He argued saying there was no reason he couldn't go the way he wanted and in about 5 seconds flat they had him out of the car, cuffed and lying with his face in the street. I got out to see if he was ok and was cuffed in about 5 seconds and sitting on the curb. We stayed that way about 15 minutes while they did whatever then they arrested him for disregarding an officer's command and threatened to charge him with attempted murder (!) for "trying to run them over." He went off to jail and I drove his car back to his house at about 10mph.

The cops way overreacted. They acted like real pricks the whole time and obviously got off on roughing us up some. In short, the Tyreke Hill video really brought that back, except I think we were driving an old jeep not a McLaren. Thank God we weren't (very) high or drunk or who knows what they might have charged us with. This kind of thing wasn't that unusual and over the years a lot of my friends (almost all white boys) got arrested and man-handled by jacked-up cops at one time or another. And my old man told me exactly what many black fathers tell their sons: don't eff-around with the police. Don't argue. Don't move too quick. Follow instructions. It seems though for a lot of black guys that equates to being a punk. You've got show the cops something, stand up to them, don't let them push you around. Man, everyone knows how that's gonna end 9 out of 10. As soon as I heard Hill tell the cop "hey, don't tap on my window!" I knew where it was headed. And honestly, I think it would have ended there for me or anyone else. Doesn't make the cops right. But it does make it predictable and pretty universal.

That right there is opening the door for so much BS. It's easier to just tell the operator why.

 

[2009ring]

I heard none of that in the video. Move along.

There were countless "commands" that the officers gave that were not lawful orders. If LEO expects unquestioned obedience than they need to be held accountable for lies and over-exertion of "power". Until that happen nothing will change.

 

[No2DC]

This was an example of privilege, and even he said what if I wasn't Hill? I could say some things about law enforcement and black people, but this is not the example I would cite.

 

[Dallas_Saint73]

It also doesn't help that many cops are on TRT or other testosterone elevating substances and are walking around with 1000+ testosterone levels. That this sort of thing doesn't happen more often is surprising. At this level, you have far from a walking rage machine. TRT is used to bring you into a normal male range, hormonal speaking. It testosterone levels by way of TRT= rage, 90 percent of older males would be out there yanking people from their cars. Just stop with the blame it on TRT hot take, it’s garbage.

There definitely seemed to be a sense of entitlement to TH. Why he didn't keep his window down was a little wierd. He was being a bit rude to the police, but last I checked that was not a crime. Arresting someone for no reason is a crime though.

But the jump from "put your window down" to pulling him out of the car seemed to be pretty quick.

The police are supposed to be the professionals in this situation, escalating it like they did was extremely unprofessional. "Mr Hill please keep your window down for the next couple minutes," would not have hurt the officer and deescalated the situation quickly. It gives police a bad look and then they wonder why the community is uncooperative with them.

I hate this myth.

TRT dosages are so low that it will not negatively impact temperament. I don’t care if you’re already predisposed to anger, 150-200 mgs test weekly won’t do much other than balance out you’re already low test levels. Remember, to get TRT you need to be below the clinical range of sub 250 ng/dl in most cases.

Now if they’re using gear outside of this setting and maybe other substances known for creating rage, like Trenbolone, then your comment is valid- which is entirely possible.

 

[NeverGiveUP2]

Bc you and I can expect a quid pro quo - do this thing and everything will go smoothly
I hope you understand that a black man has a reasonable suspicion that even when they ‘comply’ the situation might not deescalate
Sometimes quite the opposite

You know I DO understand that. But the alternative... in this case rolling up your window and refusing to comply... almost guarantees a bad out come.

 

[NeverGiveUP2]

You still haven't answered. Why order him out of the car after Hill had already complied by opening the window? He was on the phone explaining the situation to someone when ordered out, and likely seeking guidance.

This cop didnt deserve to be addressed as "sir" at this point. Where was his conflict mitigation training? This type of cop would've only made command after command in an attempt to put Hill in his place. We can see how gleeful the sweaty arse-chaffed cop was while handling a professional athlete on the ground.. Some people out there aren't boot-lickers and have no problem dealing with the consequences of non-compliance when warranted.

Oh, and was this the same cop who waddled over there to cuff Campbell as well?

I am not in any way defending the cops in this situation. But what I am saying is that your best opportunity to a good outcome is to comply. So you prove your point (TH not you) that you are not a boot-licker to use your term. That almost guarantees a bad out come... And now you can get on TV and bemoan the bad cops. Me? I am just looking for the best outcome... And yes as a white guy I have greater odds of a good out come.