Ukraine (8 Viewers)

[Sun Wukong]

This is by far one of the strangest things I've ever seen.

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

Russia may try to say that Wagoner was being funded by the west, and claim the whole thing was a coup attempt by the west.

 

[DaveXA]

So...hearing and reading people saying this entire mess was staged.

 

[rail]

So...hearing and reading people saying this entire mess was staged.

Totally what this was.

 

[SaintsFan11]

What the hell

How is that a solution? The Wagner soldiers are going to fall in line and be subsumed into the Russian military after their leader abandoned them for a big payday?

Seems like he would only have any security if he had the loyalty of a large group of armed soldiers. Now his life is in the hands of Lukashenko? A noted Putin lackey?

His soldiers would have to feel betrayed, no?

Nothing about this entire affair makes any sense whatsoever.

 

[efil4stnias]

What the hell

Said it 4 pages back...he got safe haven in Belarus


But this still does little for Putin. So I'm not sure what the heck is going to happen

 

[Sailorsaint]

I am disappoint.

 

[superchuck500]

Said it 4 pages back...he got safe haven in Belarus

But what was his plan? Did he really just lose it and bite off more than he can chew - and they gave him an out?

 

[Sailorsaint]

Said it 4 pages back...he got safe haven in Belarus

I don't think Belarus is a safe haven. It's a suburb of Moscow. He would need to go to Africa somewhere.

 

[HoustonSaint68]

How is that a solution? The Wagner soldiers are going to fall in line and be subsumed into the Russian military after their leader abandoned them for a big payday?

Seems like he would only have any security if he had the loyalty of a large group of armed soldiers. Now his life is in the hands of Lukashenko? A noted Putin lackey?

His soldiers would have to feel betrayed, no?

Nothing about this entire affair makes any sense whatsoever.

Yeah, this is kinda where I'm at. Prigozhin's security is tied to his guys...unless he makes the quite reasonable calculation that it's only a matter of time before "his guys" are infiltrated (which they probably already are) and one of them offs him anyway.

This is all very nutty, but I don't see any scenario where this is a net positive for Putin. The only "good" is that he had to get rid of the in-fighting, and maybe he smoked out some of the weak links amongst his loyalists. Other than that, even though it was all a game of sorts, he's still hurt his standing, and subsuming the bits of Wagner that agree to go into the Russian army will ultimately mean dilution of one of the few decent fighting units that they had, not strengthening of the whole.

Just all very puzzling but, as I referenced in an earlier post, it doesn't have to make sense to a Western audience, just a subservient Russian one.

 

[superchuck500]

So I guess we go back to watching the war now?

 

[efil4stnias]

 

[HoustonSaint68]

Trying to get into a Russian-like mindset (impossible, really, despite my past experience with them), maybe it's just a real life version of the new-in-prison or the Pride-Male trope. He had to be seen to take on the strongest comer to resolidify his power.

Sorry, but I'm gonna stereotype here: Russians just really suck as a collective. We're all ugly, selfish humans, and we're mostly worse in our tribal form, but the Russians are really bottom of the barrel.

 

[SaintsFan11]

Yeah, this is kinda where I'm at. Prigozhin's security is tied to his guys...unless he makes the quite reasonable calculation that it's only a matter of time before "his guys" are infiltrated (which they probably already are) and one of them offs him anyway.

This is all very nutty, but I don't see any scenario where this is a net positive for Putin. The only "good" is that he had to get rid of the in-fighting, and maybe he smoked out some of the weak links amongst his loyalists. Other than that, even though it was all a game of sorts, he's still hurt his standing, and subsuming the bits of Wagner that agree to go into the Russian army will ultimately mean dilution of one of the few decent fighting units that they had, not stregthening of the whole.

Just all very puzzling but, as I referenced in an earlier post, it doesn't have to make sense to a Western audience, just a subservient Russian one.

I don't think it's a positive for anyone. Putin was shown to have an extremely tenuous grasp on power. Prigozhin is figuratively defenestrated and will soon be literally defenestrated. This can't be good for morale--either for the Wagner people or the regular Russian troops.

 

[HoustonSaint68]

I don't think it's a positive for anyone. Putin was shown to have an extremely tenuous grasp on power. Prigozhin is figuratively defenestrated and will soon be literally defenestrated. This can't be good for morale--either for the Wagner people or the regular Russian troops.

You mean any Russian, correct?

This is definitely good for Ukraine. Not as good as it could have been had it been real, but still a net positive for them.