Underhill article on why the Saints O is so bleh (1 Viewer)

[St. Geezy]

Great article...talks about us being ranked dead last in pre-snap motion, again (and the gold standard offenses in the league rounding out the top 5), talks about us being dead last in play-action pass attempts despite Carr historically excelling off P.A., and also talks about a big drop off in the number in the number of slant routes MT runs, which historically he has been great at.

But sure, yes, let's keep doing what we're doing. It'll have to work eventually, right?

 

[St. Geezy]

I don't think Nick knows what he's talking about. He's making it sound like Motion is the savior but it's simply not true. there are great offenses that don't use motion all the time. telling people not using motion enough is the problem is a phony distraction from the real problem.

 

[Andrus]

The lack of motion hasn't bothered me much, I barely noticed it, but the lack of play action had bugged me and has been quite noticeable. Of course, it helps to have an effective run game, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it anyway, You absolutely should so as to try to get the LB's and any safety in the box out of position in coverage and give your receivers more time and space in the middle of the field behind the backers.

 

[Andrus]

There really should only be general discussions of Nick’s pay articles

Nick is ok with you all posting quotes and excerpts, if reasonable, but you don't want to go as far as to risk copyright infringement.

I'm sure he is happy to have his articles linked to, and small amounts of his work being quoted in order to make it discussion worthy is sort of the trade off.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

I don't think Nick knows what he's talking about. He's making it sound like Motion is the savior but it's simply not true. there are great offenses that don't use motion all the time. telling people not using motion enough is the problem is a phony distraction from the real problem.

Well...ours isn't a great offense that doesn't use motion.

Maybe Pete knows that Carr can't read defenses or something

Or....

Something more logical...our offense is an unimaginative borefest...and now we know that changing the QB didn't fix it because the same problems persist. Which means that the problem lies at the source of its unimaginativeness

 

[EGLSShin]

There is a 21 game sample size of Pete Carmichael being bad. This is over 1.25 seasons old at this point. It will not get better because Carmichael is lost, he is unable to make sound adjustments to what opposing defenses are doing as the game progresses.

Everyones getting fired by seasons end.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

There is a 21 game sample size of Pete Carmichael being bad. This is over 1.25 seasons old at this point. It will not get better because Carmichael is lost, he is unable to make sound adjustments to what opposing defenses are doing as the game progresses.

Everyones getting fired by seasons end.

Fine by me...that part of me says let them have the full season so that they'll be no debate about it.

I'm cool with neither coaching in the NFL again

 

[cant]

This article was extremely well done.

It has all the evidence you need, the play calling is our #1 issue without question.

I have no faith in Pete turning this around. He’s had ample opportunity

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

How are Underhill or other media members’ take on the Saints offensive line different from that of a fan’s who isn’t a player, coach, or scout?

access to players and coaches and time spent in film room

 

[play action]

Motion was just one of the many factors he looked at. He also noted the Saints are dead last in using play action despite Carr’s historical 93 passer rating when throwing the ball on play action passes. He also noted the Saints have a pitiful yards after the catch stat this year, which is indicating the scheme isn’t getting players the ball in space.

Or in stride.

 

[Rouxble]

I don't think our offense is conducive to using a lot of motion on passing plays, which is why we use motion a lot on running plays but not on passing plays. Carr wants to do his hard count, get a read on the defense, and make his adjustments when passing. So motion becomes a tell for running the ball, and Carr making his adjustments with no motion becomes a tell for passing the ball. That's probably a bigger impact on our performance than the decision to use motion.

Carr did not like having to run the play as called in Vegas, and I posted an article in the past with Rodgers stating he has the same preference (get set, read the defense, adjust, attack). These other offenses are using motion right after getting set and then snapping the ball, with a "can" option for the Shanahan tree offenses if they get a specific look when lining up. Otherwise, it's set, motion, snap, throw.

The QB's in these offenses are also trusting the concepts, going through their progressions, and getting rid of the ball quickly. In Carr's defense, he has no idea from snap to snap whether a DT will be charging through untouched, and that can throw your timing and confidence off.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

It’s a pay site, but worth it, IMO.

It’s still mind-boggling how many simple things the best offenses do that we simply refuse to do. Motion and PA being right at the top.

But hey….keep doin what you’re doin

NewOrleans.Football

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I literally just asked that question to our resident FB Guru and he denied that the scheme wasn't behind the times.

IMHO The offense is still built like an elite QB is at the helm running the show in a league where the elite QB is archaic at the moment. Most of these guys are under 10 years in the league, so offense have adapted w/ schemes that make the reads easier. Were expecting Carr(an elder, but never elite) to see the field like Drew and he's not...not even close. The offense needs to make things easier on the QB

 

[woohoosaint]

I don't have to read the article to know the reason for our offensive woes...

 

[bobad]

... the Saints have a pitiful yards after the catch stat this year, which is indicating the scheme isn’t getting players the ball in space.

It can also indicate the passes are not accurate or back-shoulder.

 

[Whodat GT]

I wonder if Pete is just outsmarting himself in all of this. Payton had a proven concept during his time in NOLA: first offensive drive was all scripted. He played with mismatches and spread the ball to everyone he could. After that, he could have a better read on what were the defense's weak points. He played the mismatch game pretty well and put players in position to exploit bad matchups. If you are his disciple, why not keep the formula and add to it, instead of trying to impose a concept that isn't working and that is not stressing the defense at all.