Underhill article on why the Saints O is so bleh (1 Viewer)

[joefromla]

It’s a pay site, but worth it, IMO.

It’s still mind-boggling how many simple things the best offenses do that we simply refuse to do. Motion and PA being right at the top.

But hey….keep doin what you’re doin

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[DerrickB]

No disrespect to Nick but honestly I’ve noticed the same things and didn’t have to pay for it

There was a 3rd and 1 where I was like wth where was the slant to Mike?

I'm paying lol.
But I already knew.

 

[BreesHOF2024]

We're running an old late 90's early 2000's West Coast offense when the league has evolved WAYY beyond that now. Players have grown up with this system their entire lives. The offense is predictable for casual viewers, defensive coordinators can defend these schemes in their sleep.

 

[DerrickB]

We're running an old late 90's early 2000's West Coast offense when the league has evolved WAYY beyond that now. Players have grown up with this system their entire lives. The offense is predictable for casual viewers, defensive coordinators can defend these schemes in their sleep.

 

[meily]

It’s really just putting into perspective how little we do stuff like that.

Not sure what we’re allowed to take from pay sites. But for example, we are dead last in the NFL at using motion on dropbacks. Four of the most dynamic “modern” offenses (Chiefs, Rams, Dolphins and 49ers) are in the top 5.

We are running an offense that is outdated, that has only added a couple of sprinkles to it to look more innovative but is still based off of quick passes that have devolved into just quick outs and dump off passes.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

It feels like our offense is predicated on gaining yards in the following pattern 4, 2, 4...any setback puts us behind schedule and almost always leads to a 4th down punt.

We need to get more yardage and look to convert 1sts on 1st and 2nd down and stop playing for 3rd and short

 

[rlemieux]

Everyone’s getting fired by seasons end.

It would be the best thing that could happen but I’d put money on very little charging even with a horrible year

 

[DerrickB]

It would be the best thing that could happen but I’d put money on very little charging even with a horrible year

It depends on how bad it will get.

 

[St. Geezy]

We are running an offense that is outdated, that has only added a couple of sprinkles to it to look more innovative but is still based off of quick passes that have devolved into just quick outs and dump off passes.

We are running the Drew Brees 2017-2020 offense which relies on high efficiency and a defecto “coach on the field” type at QB to pick apart defenses while limiting errors.

We never evolved out of that, and it shows. We weren’t always like this, but it’s like we have been doing it for so long now that it’s become PC’s identity as an “offensive coordinator.”

 

[Saint Spud]

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[jahsoul357]

We are running the Drew Brees 2017-2020 offense which relies on high efficiency and a defecto “coach on the field” type at QB to pick apart defenses while limiting errors.

With this being said (and I'm asking for a reason), who handles the offense when we go no-huddle?

 

[Rouxble]

We are running the Drew Brees 2017-2020 offense which relies on high efficiency and a defecto “coach on the field” type at QB to pick apart defenses while limiting errors.

We never evolved out of that, and it shows. We weren’t always like this, but it’s like we have been doing it for so long now that it’s become PC’s identity as an “offensive coordinator.”

What's interesting is that Payton and his stale offense in Denver are running motion at three times the rate we are, and they also have the highest % of throws outside the pocket (27% versus 7% for us). The offense in a lot of ways looks the same as what we're trying to do, but it's being dressed up and executed differently (and with better results).

 

[guillermo]

The lack of motion hasn't bothered me much, I barely noticed it, but the lack of play action had bugged me and has been quite noticeable. Of course, it helps to have an effective run game, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it anyway, You absolutely should so as to try to get the LB's and any safety in the box out of position in coverage and give your receivers more time and space in the middle of the field behind the backers.

I literally just asked that question to our resident FB Guru and he denied that the scheme wasn't behind the times.

IMHO The offense is still built like an elite QB is at the helm running the show in a league where the elite QB is archaic at the moment. Most of these guys are under 10 years in the league, so offense have adapted w/ schemes that make the reads easier. Were expecting Carr(an elder, but never elite) to see the field like Drew and he's not...not even close. The offense needs to make things easier on the QB

We are running the Drew Brees 2017-2020 offense which relies on high efficiency and a defecto “coach on the field” type at QB to pick apart defenses while limiting errors.

We never evolved out of that, and it shows. We weren’t always like this, but it’s like we have been doing it for so long now that it’s become PC’s identity as an “offensive coordinator.”

I don't want to say if we are running an archaic offense. I don't think that is the problem. A simple offense with an "I" formation will do if we have a great offensive line, a great full back, a great running back, two competent receiver and a tight end that can block and catch.

The biggest problem that I have is that besides motions, the basic concept of this offense was to run a west-coast style with multiple pass catchers. This offense was running best when we have 7-8 different players catching passes during the first half. That was the main way we were opening the run game.

Now, we seems to concentrate on pushing the ball to only one receiver. We have forgotten Thomas one game, Olave last game, Shaheed the game before, and the tight ends? I don't know what they are doing.

This can be a Carmichael or a Carr problem, but it is the responsibility of Carmichael to point out to Carr that he has to distribute the ball.

And that brings me to the second problem: reading protections. We know McCoy was taking care of the protections the last couple of years. Before that, of course, it was Drew. When we brought Carr, I read he will be taking this responsibility. I don't know if this is the case, but certainly we do have a problem of diagnostic and communication on the offensive line, and that might as well may come from reading protections.

Now, who has to solve this problem? Is it Marrone? I don't know but again, it is Carmichael's responsibility to see it fixed.

 

[Saint Spud]

The lack of motion hasn't bothered me much, I barely noticed it, but the lack of play action had bugged me and has been quite noticeable. Of course, it helps to have an effective run game, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it anyway, You absolutely should so as to try to get the LB's and any safety in the box out of position in coverage and give your receivers more time and space in the middle of the field behind the backers.

Agreed. I was really only using motion as one example (along with play action since both were issues last year, too).

I think it’s more that they’re symptomatic of a bigger problem: we’re not doing much that’s innovative and we’re not putting our players in positions to do what they do best (like the numbers on Michael Thomas and slants).

 

[Saint Spud]

What's interesting is that Payton and his stale offense in Denver are running motion at three times the rate we are, and they also have the highest % of throws outside the pocket (27% versus 7% for us). The offense in a lot of ways looks the same as what we're trying to do, but it's being dressed up and executed differently (and with better results).

Yeah. And it’s not that motion is some sort of magic bullet.

One of the biggest differences I see between Payton and Carmichael is failing to use players in roles that maximize their strengths. Your stat on throws outside the pocket is a perfect example. When Russ was great, that was his super power. So Payton adapted.

Where are the slants for MT? Why are we using Carr as a fake fullback? Why did we slam Kamara into the line so much last season?