Underhill article on why the Saints O is so bleh (3 Viewers)

[Rouxble]

I literally just asked that question to our resident FB Guru and he denied that the scheme wasn't behind the times.

IMHO The offense is still built like an elite QB is at the helm running the show in a league where the elite QB is archaic at the moment. Most of these guys are under 10 years in the league, so offense have adapted w/ schemes that make the reads easier. Were expecting Carr to see the field like Drew and he's not...not even close. The offense needs to make things easier on the QB and not

Our passing concepts are not behind the times, but our strategy for using/implementing them very well may be. I posted above that Carr/PC wants to run the offense like we have Brees or Manning, but other offenses are not doing that anymore.

It seems like that’s one of the big changes, there was a time when QB’s called the plays but then coaches took that over, giving the QB just a few options at the line.

Now QB’s have one backup play for a specific look, but otherwise the coaches more or less have complete control of the play calling. QB’s are executing their progressions like WR’s are executing their routes, precisely and on time.

 

[SWJJ]

The local north west Louisiana sport radio talking heads have been talking about this article this morning.

It absolutely destroys Carmichael. CGM in a slant historically is unstoppable, we have only run him on a slant 10 times all season.


We absolutely are not doing the things that we know work.

It’s like Pete is calling the game with the intention of losing.

It’s ridiculous.

He should be stripped of play calling duties immediately.

 

[TenTwo]

Is Carmichael an NFL shill who is sabotaging New Orleans because the fans have gotten too savvy on the officiating?

 

[Big Up Bush]

It’s a pay site, but worth it, IMO.

It’s still mind-boggling how many simple things the best offenses do that we simply refuse to do. Motion and PA being right at the top.

But hey….keep doin what you’re doin

NewOrleans.Football

neworleans.football

Underhill states, in regards to play action, an interesting set of facts: “The Saints are currently dead last in the NFL with 15 play-action pass attempts…. The lack of usage is a surprise because quarterback Derek Carr has a career 92.9 passer rating when deploying play action.”

 

[Big Up Bush]

It’s a pay site, but worth it, IMO.

It’s still mind-boggling how many simple things the best offenses do that we simply refuse to do. Motion and PA being right at the top.

But hey….keep doin what you’re doin

NewOrleans.Football

neworleans.football

Honestly, this really was a great read. Good find.

 

[2024InjuryApocalypse]

It’s a pay site, but worth it, IMO.

It’s still mind-boggling how many simple things the best offenses do that we simply refuse to do. Motion and PA being right at the top.

But hey….keep doin what you’re doin

NewOrleans.Football

neworleans.football

Yeah, the lack of play action has baffled me.

 

[fishing4food]

Matt Moscona had Lance Moore on his show a few days ago. Lance was basically saying he knew which plays where coming and PC hasn't changed or evolved with the times. He thought it was time to move Ronald Curry into the position. Great interview/take from Lance

 

[Rouxble]

Yeah, the lack of play action has baffled me.

Carr has been awful on playaction this season, but so has our running game. We’re averaging 2 yds/att on play action (PFF).

 

[Complex Kid]

It’s a pay site, but worth it, IMO.

Unfortunately for Nick the Saints being not much fun to watch so far this season thus me not really wanting to read about them caused me to not renew my subscription, I wonder how many subscribers he's lost because of this lack luster offense

 

[jahsoul357]

I don't think Nick knows what he's talking about. He's making it sound like Motion is the savior but it's simply not true. there are great offenses that don't use motion all the time. telling people not using motion enough is the problem is a phony distraction from the real problem.

I not going to say that Nick doesn't know what he is talking about, consistency is eh...lol. But this was a well written article about what's going on from a scheming standpoint

Underhill states, in regards to play action, an interesting set of facts: “The Saints are currently dead last in the NFL with 15 play-action pass attempts…. The lack of usage is a surprise because quarterback Derek Carr has a career 92.9 passer rating when deploying play action.”

I honestly think this comes with our run game being inconsistent though. But this was another area last season where I scratched my head at what was going on with the team. Things don't just drastically change from one season to another when that one thing has always been a constant. If you know, you know.

Carr has been awful on playaction this season, but so has our running game. We’re averaging 2 yds/att on play action (PFF).

Beat me to it.

 

[Saint Spud]

I don't think Nick knows what he's talking about. He's making it sound like Motion is the savior but it's simply not true. there are great offenses that don't use motion all the time. telling people not using motion enough is the problem is a phony distraction from the real problem.

That’s not what he’s saying at all. It’s one example. There are plenty others in there

 

[DerrickB]

I could have told you that. Thinks for spoiling the story. I'm a paying subscriber.

It's a joke.
Seriously though It's a good read.

 

[Rouxble]

That’s not what he’s saying at all. It’s one example. There are plenty others in there

Does he discuss throws outside the pocket? One interesting thing I've noticed is that Miami also has the lowest % of dropbacks with throws outside the pocket (4.1%).

 

[RaginCajun83]

No disrespect to Nick but honestly I’ve noticed the same things and didn’t have to pay for it

There was a 3rd and 1 where I was like wth where was the slant to Mike?

 

[cant]

The local north west Louisiana sport radio talking heads have been talking about this article this morning.

It absolutely destroys Carmichael. CGM in a slant historically is unstoppable, we have only run him on a slant 10 times all season.


We absolutely are not doing the things that we know work.

It’s like Pete is calling the game with the intention of losing.

It’s ridiculous.

He should be stripped of play calling duties immediately.

One would think this is an exaggeration, it’s not. That article was very telling on just how bad Pete has been.