Underhill: Kellen Moore said he took this job with the idea that Derek Carr would be his QB (123 Viewers)

[St. Geezy]

Panthers and Jags were both pretty successful expansion franchises... so yes it is possible.

Can we get the two first and second round picks they got (including the top picks) and a zero dollar salary cap at the very beginning of the league’s free agency system like they did while we’re at it? Not to mention an expansion draft that teams used as an opportunity to dump their highest paid players. lol

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

The negative Nancies dont really know as much as they think.

Neither do the pumpers.
Both extremes suck, as with any and all extremes lol. IMO at least.

 

[kcirdor]

Can we get the two first and second round picks they got and a zero dollar salary cap at the very beginning of the league’s free agency system like they did while we’re at it? Not to mention an expansion draft that teams used as an opportunity to dump their highest paid players. lol

Dont worry we got 5 years worth of money to spend.

 

[Taker597]

What's really puzzling is that many don't want to make the playoffs with Carr.

I believe there is a misconception. Because the word that most people don't believe they'll make the playoffs with Carr...

If you told people that you had 100% affirmation that they make the playoffs. They would be excited, but you can only sell a bait and switch for so many years till people rightfully want wholesale change. We are possibly going on our 5th season without a playoff berth.

What objective indication that they are closer to a playoff berth now vs. 4 years ago when Brees retired with a more talented team. You can only handoff the blame on injuries for so long.

It's results based business and the results have been bad with team that doesn't have a lot of young blue chip ascending talent.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

I have every confidence Moore will be a breath of fresh air for this team. And we're on our way back to relevance, one small baby step at a time. But still I say -- what else would you expect him to tell a reporter at this point?

This cannot be liked enough. How some folks will never get this truly baffles my mind.

 

[St. Widge]

Well, since a chocolate teapot has as much meaning and relevance as your repetitively overstated curiosity, I'd say it's a wash.

No doubt I have committed the sin of saying something irrelevant and trivial on the SSF all the while being repetitive because people misrepresented what I said. I know that it's unprecedented and certainly not something you would do, but I'm still curious. So please do go on about the efficacy of chocolate tea pots. Perhaps we could discuss if there happens to be a little pink chocolate teapot at the center of the universe and whether it's existence can be disproved while it unsuccessfully attempts to make a pot of tea?

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

The go-to will now be “what else is he supposed to say?”

Not sure why it’s hard to accept that Kellen Moore simply wants Carr to be his starting QB in 2025.
We have a coaching staff that can make the playoffs with Carr.

While knowing that the first is applicable, I agree with you that this too could be the case.

 

[Alan12]

He never had a problem throwing over the middle with the Raiders. We haven't had any decent targets to go over the middle and when he did to Olave, he got crucified for it.

We need better options at WR and Means/KAJr could be the answers there whereas Olave is not.

Cold hard truth right there.

These “fans” ***** and moan “hE’s ToO sCaReD tO tHrOw OvEr tHe MiDdLe AnD RiSk iNtS!”

Then when he does they’re the first to pop off at the mouth, “mOaR hOsPiTaL BaLLs fRoM cArR, AiN’t nOtHiNg gOnE cHaNgE!”

Can never please the clowns.

 

[StudioSaint]

But he's still a statue in the pocket.

He's not really a statue in the pocket. It's been more of an OL issue with the Saints. Rattler was supposed to be good moving in the pocket. If you look at the actual video, Rattler struggled in the pocket more than Carr did and got sacked a lot more than Carr did, even when they were playing behind the same injured OL. The fact that Carr was sacked at such a low rate behind last years OL strongly suggests he's not a "statue in the pocket." I'm not making any predictions how Carr will play this year, just showing that some opinions of Carr aren't grounded in reality.

Here are examples of Carr moving in the pocket.

In the Pocket: Derek Carr's decision-making has been winning edge for Raiders

Carr steps up in the pocket, finds Hollins for 16-yards on third down

Las Vegas Raiders quarterback Derek Carr masterfully navigates pocket for perfect touch pass to wide receiver Bryan Edwards

Las Vegas Raiders quarterback Derek Carr executes alley-oop pass to leaping wide receiver Henry Ruggs

Las Vegas Raiders quarterback Derek Carr climbs the pocket for needle-threading third-down dart

In the Pocket: Rich Gannon details Derek Carr's statement win, game-changing plays from Henry Ruggs III

 

[Infoman]

No doubt I have committed the sin of saying something irrelevant and trivial on the SSF all the while being repetitive because people misrepresented what I said. I know that it's unprecedented and certainly not something you would do, but I'm still curious. So please do go on about the efficacy of chocolate tea pots. Perhaps we could discuss if there happens to be a little pink chocolate teapot at the center of the universe and whether it's existence can be disproved while it unsuccessfully attempts to make a pot of tea?

I admire the way you consistently repeat yourself to make sure you drive drive drive your point home.... and lay waste to your digital adversaries...

And pay no attention to UK... He's like the guy that silently crop-dusts you, and immediately asks if you smell popcorn on the way by.

 

[St. Widge]

I believe there is a misconception. Because the word that most people don't believe they'll make the playoffs with Carr...

If you told people that you had 100% affirmation that they make the playoffs. They would be excited, but you can only sell a bait and switch for so many years till people rightfully want wholesale change. We are possibly going on our 5th season without a playoff berth.

What objective indication that they are closer to a playoff berth now vs. 4 years ago when Brees retired with a more talented team. You can only handoff the blame on injuries for so long.

It's results based business and the results have been bad with team that doesn't have a lot of young blue chip ascending talent.

They just changed the entire coaching staff including hiring a new HC and changing the scheme on both sides of the ball. It's going to take time to see results.

That in and of itself I would count as wholesale changes. And we don't even know yet what personnel changes will be made. All we know is that Carr is the QB for 2025. I wanted him gone and I understand that people are frustrated that they did not make that change, but it doesn't mean that wholesale changes aren't being made or that Carr will be the QB for any time past this year. And if Moore thinks he can coax a winning season out of Carr with the other changes he is going to make, it's his job and his decision to make. He may well be right. But that doesn't mean that this won't be a totally different team by the time the 2026 season starts. Even Sean Payton kept the Vet starting QB that nobody like and nobody thought they could win with for a year before cutting him. Seemed to work out well for them. I don't know if it will work well here, but I also don't know that it won't.

 

[Saint KayBee]

Panthers and Jags were both pretty successful expansion franchises... so yes it is possible.

In year 2…

So what happened next?

The Panthers immediately regressed to 7-9 then 4-12 in 2 years, Bill Polian builds a time bomb of a veteran team then bails on it as soon as the check hits the table, then they fell all the way to a 1-win team within 5 years. The Jags played a smarter short game, peaking at 14-2 in 1999 but fell off the mountain immediately after.

The concern is that the irrational section of this fanbase (can no longer call it a corner) thinks the FO can cut everyone and go pursue all the best free agents whose names they know and instantly have a winning team again. You can try it, as the 2000 Saints did (adding players at every position to positive effect) but we can be honest with each other, nobody pushing for the CUT EM ALL approach is looking to the 2000 Saints for inspiration.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Man I will continue to say that I just don’t see what others see in the guy. His tape to me is solid. He has lapses just like most other QBs in his tier, but for the most part, he’s efficient, can make all the throws, and doesn’t turn the ball over.

I haven’t had that “Confident every time he drops back” feeling since Drew. Obviously not to Drew’s level of course, but I actually feel good when I see our QB drop back now for the first time in a long time.

Carr indeed on tape is a solid QB. Coach types clearly see that.

I think he’s just had a very strange, anomaly career where he’s played on a bunch of really bad football teams for bad coaches.

You can’t tell me that if this man was Sean Payton’s quarterback, his reputation wouldn’t be completely different than it is today or that he wouldn’t have multiple playoff appearances and wins. Ain’t no way.

You make some good points imo. I’m in the camp of he’s an ok QB.

I’ll ask you this, truly, no sarcasm:
He’s been in the league for quite awhile now, think he’s led his team to the playoffs once? Maybe I’m misremembering tho, and has zero playoff wins?

Do you think it’s always everyone else’s fault? Not pinning that on you but I’ve seen many say just that….which I just don’t agree with.


Anyhow. I hope we go 17-0 next season, Carr wins the MVP and we win the Super Bowl.
I’m gonna cheer for the boys no matter what tho, as I think we all do.

 

[St. Widge]

Cold hard truth right there.

These “fans” ***** and moan “hE’s ToO sCaReD tO tHrOw OvEr tHe MiDdLe AnD RiSk iNtS!”

Then when he does they’re the first to pop off at the mouth, “mOaR hOsPiTaL BaLLs fRoM cArR, AiN’t nOtHiNg gOnE cHaNgE!”

Can never please the clowns.

I have never complained about hospital balls and didn't see him as being at fault when Olave got concussed going over the middle. I just know that since he got here, he rarely throws over the middle unless it's a deep ball. And that is going to be important to do with the crossing routes that Moore seems to like to run. Maybe he can do it and the scheme didn't call for it or we didn't have the personnel, but he's going to have to start doing it soon.

 

[StudioSaint]

In year 2…

So what happened next?

The Panthers immediately regressed to 7-9 then 4-12 in 2 years then was a 1-win team within 5 years. The Jags played a smarter short game, peaking at 14-2 in 1999 but fell off the mountain immediately after.

The concern is that the irrational section of this fanbase (can no longer call it a corner) thinks the FO can cut everyone and go pursue all the best free agents whose names they know and instantly have a winning team again. You can try it, as the 2000 Saints did (adding players at every position to positive effect) but we can be honest with each other, nobody pushing for the CUT EM ALL approach is looking to the 2000 Saints for inspiration.

Sean Payton said more than once that it's not about having all the best players, it's about having the best combination of players. A lot of NFL teams have built a nearly "dream team" and ended up with nothing to show for it.

Madden, fantasy football and social media repeaters have distorted people's perspectives on the realities of real football.